What would it be like?

[basswipe]

Originally Posted by Nebe

considering the gluttony this country has lived on for the years after the war until now- had Germany won the war, they would have experienced the spoils of global domination that we achieved. If germany was victorious, i beleive that America would have become a more grounded nation and would be much more frugal with its resources and most importantly we would not be the global peace keeper that we are today-as a result,

Some how Mr president, i think you feel the same way.

That's a disgusting statement.

So what you are saying is that the destruction of entire races and cultures back then so that today you could make such a statement:

"our country would be more motivated to focus on its own problems and if you ask me is a country i would rather see."....

that's how you think?

That's just sick and so is anyone who agrees.What a slap in the face to every human that died in that war.

Plain disgusting.You should be ashamed and go live elsewhere.Disgusting.

Had to add this:YOU personally enjoy the freedoms of having a business,having a child,quality shelter,plenty of food,getting to fish and the ability to make really dumb statements as the DIRECT result of thousands upon thousands of deaths during WW2.

Shame on you.

[spence]

I think you're completely missing Nebe's point...

The dominance of the USA in the global economy the last 1/2 of this century has been an massive factor in the rise of the American consumer which is now spreading around the world.

There are certianly arguments as to how this has driven the global economy in general, which are valid...

But I'd pose a problem. Americans have gotten quite used to our way of life, and now we're turning a critical eye to others who seek the same. All the while pondering if what we even have is really sustainable.

A more frugal USA might not have got us to where we are, but may be an impossible cultural transformation necessary to keep us here.

-spence

[nightfighter]

Originally Posted by spence

I think you're completely missing Nebe's point...

The dominance of the USA in the global economy the last 1/2 of this century has been an massive factor in the rise of the American consumer which is now spreading around the world.

There are certianly arguments as to how this has driven the global economy in general, which are valid...

But I'd pose a problem. Americans have gotten quite used to our way of life, and now we're turning a critical eye to others who seek the same. All the while pondering if what we even have is really sustainable.

A more frugal USA might not have got us to where we are, but may be an impossible cultural transformation necessary to keep us here.

-spence

But to suggest that losing the war to Nazi Germany would have led to anything good is sick. The subject of your post has absolutely nothing to do with losing the war, nor the sacrifice made on our behalf by another generation. %$%$%$%$ing make me sick with comments like this. Bet you wouldn't have the balls to serve your country..... Before we ever meet face to face, I hope you and Eben, will have publicly stated to those that have served, and our families, exactly where you stand. This just is NOT up for discussion.

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Originally Posted by nightfighter

But to suggest that losing the war to Nazi Germany would have led to anything good is sick. The subject of your post has absolutely nothing to do with losing the war, nor the sacrifice made on our behalf by another generation. %$%$%$%$ing make me sick with comments like this. Bet you wouldn't have the balls to serve your country..... Before we ever meet face to face, I hope you and Eben, will have publicly stated to those that have served, and our families, exactly where you stand. This just is NOT up for discussion.

Nebe was posting a hypothetical and relative response for the sake of arguement in which he made a point that more than one person has found some value in.

A knee-jerk response based on ignorance or rage does not add value to the debate.

To say someone like myself doesn't have balls to serve our country without actually knowing me is absurd, pithy and downright pathetic.

It just might be, that I'm someone you want in your foxhole.

It's also indirectly an insult to those who do or have served as it's dissing that for which they serve for. The freedom to express one's opinion without fear of reproach.

This is not the place for threats.

-spence