When did America, go to Hell

[Karl F]

Just Watched the News..

When did this country Loose It..

Mans word was his bond, oppurtunity abounded..

[Raven]

when Richard Nixon took office.
he started all the Crap.

[Karl F]

Originally Posted by Raven

when Richard Nixon took office.
he started all the Crap.

Which office? ... Senator, VP?.. yeah his presidency.. but look at his past record.. Joe McCarthy and all that chit... I'm wondering about the beginings, and not just politics.. politics and politicians, no matter the party, have always been Suspect....

I'm thinking more of how folks treated each other in general.

[eastendlu]

Not Nixon but L. Johnson he is the one who made social security part of the general fund so they could tap into it.He imho started the ball rolling.

[afterhours]

methinks it began with dilusion of our populations morals not some politico crap....

[BigFish]

The correct answer is......and let me know if you disagree.....when the television was invented! The beginning of the end!

[spence]

Originally Posted by afterhours

methinks it began with dilusion of our populations morals not some politico crap....

I think a lot of the moral issues have more to do with politico crap than reality.

-spence

[Bishop169]

I would have picked the 90’s that’s when I noticed more gangs more pathetic news i.e. Rodney king the riots OJ Arnold becoming Governor

[NeedaKeepah]

When the phrase "Political Correctness" was coined.................

[Raven]

hoover imported the cocaine JPI
[the government is to blame]
-he started the assasinations [fact]

it was a big (real big) crooked enterprise (still is)

and "Elvis Presley" was a NARC

[Raven]

just like this border ...or imigration policy

every time they come up with the so called "PLAN"

it never gets voted into LAW ----> it always FAILS

for 50 years....our borders have been as porus as a sponge.

20 million have entered illegally

now...if you make it a lottery for Mexican's and or Canadian's

PUT a bounty on all suspected terrorists ... (evil doer's)
you catch them trying to enter ... we'll pay you $$$$
100,000.00 dollars or what ever... or a chilli dog...
(they'll easilly do that much monetary damage)

[StripinLine]

We are the Government. We are here to help you.We know whats best for you.

[Raven]

Originally Posted by StripinLine

We are the Government. We are here to help you.We know whats best for you.

[Flaptail]

It's been in gradual decline over the last 45 years. Morally, socially and politically.

Does anyone ever get elected to higher office in State and Federal govt. anymore who isn't rich? A govt of millionaires in the Presidency, congress/senate and Govenorships.

Corporate interests and lobbiests before the interest of the common man/woman and child.

What ever happened to America first and Government of the people, for the people and BY the people?

We had our run, our zenith and now we tumble little by little.

[striperman36]

Just like the Roman's

Where are our Huns?

[Clammer]

When the {white man came here / & f #$%^& the indians & everyother thing in this Country ><><><

[Nebe]

Originally Posted by striperman36

Just like the Roman's

Where are our Huns?

In the Whitehouse

[The Dad Fisherman]

I beg to differ....and I have no problem embracing change.

But 40 years ago your kids could go out anywhere without worrying about some twisted creep lurking in the shadows.

You could ALWAYS trust a Cop, A Priest, A Scout Leader and your Coach....now they automatically get the leary eye whenever they talk to a kid

There was not a steady and readily accessible stream of porn on a device that sits in the kids bedroom.

Kids were outside, playing, all day until the street lights went on.....now we have 200 pound 10 year olds that the only body part that is in shape is their 2 thumbs

if somebody did something stupid you chalked it up as such.....and nobody lost their house in a lawsuit because of Your own stupidity.

I would never, EVER, think about talking to an adult the way kids do now-a-days. If I swore at an adult i would expect 2 a$$-kickings, one from the adult I swore at and 1 from my dad for making said adult kick my A$$ for that reason.

Do you know that the Empire State building was built in 13 months....13 months, and within budget. the american machine was rolling, nobody even got killed during its construction.......the Big Dig has been going on how long and fat cat politicians are still getting rich from its failure.


We are now living in a time of "Entitlement".......everyone thinks they are Entitled to everything......and god forbid if they don't get it, Someone get sued

What REALLY caused the downfall.....a friggen cup of McDonalds Coffee....because that was when people realized a lawyer could get you anything.

Rant Over

[Karl F]

Bingo Dad! ...


zacs.. curious...how old are you?

reason I ask, is, I think it's in all what each individual remembers.

I remember much of what TDF referenced...

Trust in authourity figures... freedon to roam around.. more one on one with people... not machines..

Call a company.. talk with a person.. a human being.. not a prerecorded menu.. push one for this two for that.. etc..

Doctors that would come to your house in the middle of the night for a sick kid.. or elderly person.

Being more afraid of the old man, than the local cops..

R E S E P E C T for other folks.. property.. and being polite...

Cashiers that said thank you, after they counted your change back (!).. and not.. answering with.. your welcome.. (WTF.. I gave them money.. and they say your welcome!.. always irks me.. only reason I say Thanks to a clerk is to solicit some kinda response...)

Kids miss out big time on all the freedom.. like TDF stated..

I guess if they can't remember different.. they think it's OK..

But I think it's a downright shame what's become of this society over the last half century...

But.. like I earleir stated.. maybe it's an age thing...


I think Credit Cards (Diner Club started it in the fifties), TV commercials.. Fast Food.. Shopping Malls.. Forced Sunday Openings for almost all business.. the "Cookie Cutter" mentality.. Super Highways.. I mean.. travelling across country in the fiftes/sixties.. greasy spoons, diners and "Americana".. have been replaced by Super Highways with Mall Exits.. you get off the highway.. you could be "Anywhere"..
No "Local Color".. anymore..

No Ethics anymore.. Morality?.. that's been dead and buried for years.. Local Govt. on up..

We Are in the Toilet.. compared to What us "Older Folks".. Knew.. No Doubt.

But.. It's all in what you Remeber.. I guess...and the powers that be, really want us to Forget.

[justplugit]

I think as you get older you see things in a different light as you have a point of comparison. The older you get the more change you see, and as your security is tied up in things staying the same , you naturally don't like change.

That being said, the question was, "when did America start to go to hell?" Having been around almost 68 years i gotta say again, it was the 60's.

That's when we seemed to lose our moral compass.

We have all the material things we could ever want, that's not lacking, but the morality, which touches every area of our life is lacking, and without that we will continue on a downward spiral.

[Joe]

When you talk about rise of morality and civility, you're really only referring to a brief slice of American history, roughly 1900-1965 (with timeouts for some major wars) at best.

Even then, this morality and civility were only extended to some white people. It was not a good time to be anything other than a white male. We've always been a wild society prone to violence and greed and the protection of our interests above all else.

[justplugit]

Joe, i liked your comments.

I can only comment back to the 40's as that is what i remember. In the 40's and 50's churches couldn't be built fast enough, neighbors knew and helped each other, a man's word was as good as his bond, there was very little divorce,no one would think of suing over minor things, people respected the opinion and advice of older people because they knew they had experienced life.

However, as you mentioned the early 1900s, i do remember reading that the 20s weren't the most moral of times.

Tamminy Hall, Al Capone, prohibition, the speculation and crash of the market. But from what i remember my Dad and many others of that period saying, people were by far ,the salt of the earth and could be trusted. The shaking of a hand was a contract.

The 30s and 40s united the country during the wars, which you mentioned, citizens made personal sacrafices for the sake of freedom.

People would work a full time job, and come at night and work in the war plants. Volunteer for any effort to help. So America had a purpose to defend freedom and still went by a moral compass.

The change i saw, which was very dramatic, between the 60s and 70s ,was the outlook of the country changing from a united purpose to a "me generation". It has never looked back.

You are right, human greed always has, and always will be there. But our morals balance it out. Imho, we need moral beliefs and purposes as individuals and as a country.

As they say, " if you don't believe in something, you fall for anything."

[GonnaCatchABig1]

when MTV started playing nothing but rap and hip hop. and preached great values like "money is everything" "power is everything" "it's ok to kill a few people to get those two". and then forced it down the throats of every middle class kid in the country so they could turn a profit. aka the 90's

[OX]

Child proof lighters!

[tynan19]

I agree with Clammer.

[stripersnipr]

If America is Hell what would you call North Korea, Cuba, Haiti, Somalia and the Sudan?

[Raven]

North korea is the basement in Hell
(but they have movies)
Cuba is the bathroom in the basement in hell
Haiti is the portapotty in the basement in hell (kinda melted)
(actually it's leaning to one side from the heat and it's nearly full)

Somalia is just a french drain pit with dead people floating in it

Sudan is in back of the pit next to the bathroom in the basement of hell

[stripersnipr]

Originally Posted by Raven

North korea is the basement in Hell
(but they have movies)
Cuba is the bathroom in the basement in hell
Haiti is the portapotty in the basement in hell (kinda melted)
(actually it's leaning to one side from the heat and it's nearly full)

Somalia is just a french drain pit with dead people floating in it


Sudan is in back of the pit next to the bathroom in the basement of hell

[Ed B]

I think society as a whole throughout time is constantly improving. Granted there are ebbs and flows of all sorts of issues across the spectrum but on things of major importance like disease, public health, safety, war fatality, modern society is constantly improving.

There is no comparison between now and a century ago in terms of what we perceive as unacceptable loss on the battlefield. Not just the losses of WWII and WW I, but look at what happened in the Civil War. Americans vs Americans, 10,000- 30,000 dead after a battle and that many more would die from injuries and disentary. Lawlessness everywhere and the furthur back you traveleled in time the worse it was. What is happening now in the third world countries was more common around the planet.

Granted you won't catch me walking through the tough side of an inner city with a lot of cash now, but I don't think there was ever a time when that was a smart thing to do. I am optimistic for the future as I think if you look past the fog of our day to day aggravations we have it better now than ever before.

[Raven]

i think Hollywood has alot to do with it... just my .02 cents

all this SICKO glamourization is taking it's toll
(I just saw this ad that said "we need someone to look up to"
and the movie is about ( i dont know ) another jason flick in the hockey mask P.O.S.

all this special effects serial killing crap ... i detest it all...

although there were terrible murders going on from the sixties onward

i don't recall ever hearing about babies being taken (stolen)from a mothers womb (cut out of her)
while she was still alive
until the last few years...
and i consider that as the holy grail of nastiness...
child pornography should totally be shut down and is more
of a threat than terrorism imo to the average american
and shouldn't be protected by the first amendment at all imo

the ten year old kid that got sentenced in florida for trying to kill
the homeless man... and they are getting that thrill of the kill from TV
or computer games.... it's not a random idea or just decided to do it.
thing................it's copy cat........