Shoud illegal immigrants be eligible for Social Security benefits?

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Originally Posted by stripersnipr

The rich pay most of the taxes? You don't even know your own Code-Pink Talking points!

Catch up with the real world and understand this isn't about politics it's about real people, real jobs, real facts and real dollars. Downplay it all you want..........where are those facts on the huge offset that you used as an unsupported argument again? And seeing how you avoided the questions I guess we can assume you weren't under-bid by unlicensed, uninsured, unqualifed criminals, or were forced to lay-off employees in the past year because their work was lost to illegal immigrants, so no problem. I can read off the top of my head dozens of guys who have lost jobs to illegals, but I can't think of a single one who has lost anything to the disruption of global energy supplies. Ask them what's the biggest threat. Thanks for validating the singing pig theory (again).

The real world? Are you 'effin kidding me???

In the real world US Corporations screw over millions of legal workers in the name of shareholder value on a continual basis.

You seem to have let your emotion override your judgement and reason.

-spence

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Ok, after a good nights sleep I came to the realization you're just a flaming hypocrite and just don't know it

The illegal immigration from Mexico doesn't come from all over Mexico, it's really more from specific areas that are really economically depressed. The people of Mexico tend to be more socialist than in the USA ...where we put the emphasis on personal responsibility (i.e. pull yourself up by your own bootstraps).

Those crossing the border, and most other Mexicans see the illegal immigrants as victims of a system that's not protecting them by providing economic security.

Your complaint seems to either be directed as those doing what they have to to make a living and provide for their families, or a government who isn't enforcing the law.

Regardless, you're applying the same victim mentality on your own people that you can't protect.

You sound very much like the Mexican's I've spoken with about the subject.

Think about it.

-spence

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the best way to curb illegal immigration is to build a thriving middle class in the countries of origin. like mexico. not necessarily in our hands, and it will take time.

in the meantime, with the housing slump we are in right now, wouldn't be surprised if a lot of guys are going back home ... because of layoffs. there are only so many guys who can mow lawns and prune trees, etc.

don't forget that illegals have to buy stuff. they pay sales/consumption tax like the rest of us do. not sure that is embedded in a lot of cost-benefit assumptions.

[stripersnipr]

Originally Posted by spence

Your complaint seems to either be directed as those doing what they have to to make a living and provide for their families, or a government who isn't enforcing the law.

-spence

My complaint is directed at those who choose to break laws to make a living and the government that chooses not to enforce those laws, yep you got that right. In the world I come from making a living and providing for your family is not an excuse to break the law. The fact that they come from a more socialist society does not nullify the laws of our country.

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Originally Posted by stripersnipr

My complaint is directed at those who choose to break laws to make a living and the government that chooses not to enforce those laws, yep you got that right. In the world I come from making a living and providing for your family is not an excuse to break the law. The fact that they come from a more socialist society does not nullify the laws of our country.

So you have a Mexican government not providing for some of it's people, and US corporations who are breaking the law by employing (hence attracting) these people.

And your anger is directed toward those trying to make a living?

Sounds like it's misplaced.

Oh, wait...I forgot.

This is the largest economic threat to our country!

-spence

[stripersnipr]

Originally Posted by spence

And your anger is directed toward those trying to make a living?

Sounds like it's misplaced.

Oh, wait...I forgot.

-spence

Oh yeah, I forgot you people aren't into blaming criminals. Why dont you just accept total responsibility, it'll make you feel all warm and fuzzy.

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Originally Posted by stripersnipr

Oh yeah, I forgot you people aren't into blaming criminals. Why dont you just accept total responsibility, it'll make you feel all warm and fuzzy.

Not at all...

I'm simply doing a root cause analysis. You cite illegal immigration as, what was it?

Originally Posted by stripersnipr

As much as some people will fight and argue against the notion, illegal immigration is in my opinion, the single greatest economic threat this country faces.

When illegal immigration is not the real problem. The issue has to do with the Mexican government's inability to provide for its people and our consumer driven economy looking for the best bang for the buck.

This has more to do with physics than politics, it's a matter of ENTROPY

-spence