22 dead kids

[fishpoopoo]

Originally Posted by likwid

In a fight or flee situation most people will flee.
Not odds you want to bet on.

And honestly, I'm waiting for the "well the military trains people to deal with the stress". I'm sure anyone wanting a concealed permit wants to go through the programming say a Force Recon Marine goes through huh?

Likwid, I know what you're driving at. Most sheeple won't know what to do when shots start getting fired. They freeze. Then if they're smart they run. They don't have the training that directs them to run to gunfire.

A little civilian training, while not up to USMC tempo, does help, however. But most importantly, there are many people who are motivated to do the RIGHT THING whether they are armed or not.

While paper targets don't shoot back, a CCW'er who might regularly practice at the range will at least immediately be able to recognize AND NOT BE FLUSTERED BY gunfire. THAT in itself is useful.

I'm no macho armchair mall ninja, but I can speak as someone who has personally experienced the unpleasantness of armed encounters.

[TheSpecialist]

I guess when there is nowhere to flee to, the weak will die and the strong will survive, that is natures way is'nt it.

Oh yeah the shooter who probably had no real training practiced by shooting at paper targets, granted that k no one shot back at him, but he did not know if anyone in that school was gonna be armed and shoot back. By the way I have had people shoot at me before, and I was'nt scared I was pi$$ed. Most people with CCW's are type A people who when adrenaline kicks in will not be afraid, most will not fear the sound of gun fire, having been conditioned to it from hundreds of hours at the range, and will think more clearly than others who have not. You believe what you want to, but all I know is that I will never be a victim as long as I have my CCW and the means to carry.

[fishpoopoo]

Originally Posted by TheSpecialist

By the way I have had people shoot at me before, and I was'nt scared I was pi$$ed.

Well, I have no qualms admitting I was scared $hitless - "WTF this can't be happening." Out of my mind.

But training took over, thank God.

You never think you can shiver so hard a half hour or so post-confrontation.

[fishpoopoo]

dang. docs prescribe anti-depressants for irritable bowel syndrome.

what DON'T they prescribe them for?

[Diamond Tackle]

My grandmother who is 88 now, was once help up at goinpoint(she was about 78? at the time), 2 thugs with what looked lile a "big silver revolver" to her. The thugs were for real ,as the cops told us later. it was raining, and she BEAT one of them over the head with an umbrella, and yelled police as loud as she could. they RAN & got nothing. Granted this a completely diff situation,and was on a city block in the bronx where a cop could literally have been around the corner, turns out they were just a minute away. Point is, people react diff to situation. Some just choose NOT to be a victim. grandma has a hist(when she was very young ) of defending herself, but I cant get into that here.
As stated above, training takes over when u are being shot at. My NYC cop friends , all say the same thing, they get really PISSED when being shot at, none of them cower down ,they shoot back, and usually they have to restrain themselved from killing the perp.
Proper training saves lives. Im guessing a lot of our boys over in Iraq were absol no diff than these college students, but they were properly trained, and now fear almost noone. You only need one guy to step up.
The drunken college kid comment is somewhat lame IMO, cops drink too when they are off duty. Carrying is a huge responsibility and not everyone would be qualified, 21 is a good age IMO, and if you would not even trust a professor with a permit, maybe you should not send your kids to that school. Personally I would feel a lot safer knowing that Profs like that Holocaust survivor (who gave his life without any hesitation) were packing.

[TheSpecialist]

Ben the situations I was in were different, I was deer hunting, and I could see the A hole, so I yelled at him. He just took off, he was about 80 yards away in the woods . When I was 17 I had a 357 shoved in my face while closing my cousins pizza place at night. I can honestly say I was'nt scared, just level headed, gave them what they wanted and they left.

[fishpoopoo]

bill, that sucks.