Fluoro Carbon Leader

[Slinger]

As with any broad based question, there are too many variables to be considered. In the canal, at night, with jigs, probably no edge. At Monomoy trying to get a Bonito to hit on a size 1 fly in broad daylight in crystal clear water, absolutly! What I`m trying to say is, you have to narrow down the parameters for any answer to have validity. Thirty years ago I had the exact answer for everything, now any answer starts with, "Well it depends,". No stock answer can cover all situations. I generally fish out of my boat in skinny water during the day, so I use 16# flouro but if I went to the big beach at night with eels I`d use 30# mono.
Another pet beef of mine is people that are allways trying to scrimp on the line. For a long time I fished the beach for money, I met lots of guys that used equipment that looked like it came from the Salvation Army. You can catch fish on allmost any kind of reel and rod, but the ones that consistently scored were meticulos about thier line. I`ve seen rods broken and the fish was still caught, I`ve seen reels freeze up and still the fish came in but I`ve never seen a fish that broke the line landed. How can someone justify spending hundreds and hundreds of dollars on equip. and then skimp on the one thing that connects you directly to the fish? But then again, like I allways say "Well it depends...".
Slinger

[Flaptail]

There is anintersting article in the 2006 IGFA Yearbook about fish sight and the way they view things like color and motion. It made me think about some things and make some changes.

First is the real value of Fluorocarbon. Acuity in fish (acuity = ability to see detail) differs in relation to water clarity and amount of light. We think of fish seeing as we do. Not even close.

Even in the clearest of waters fishes acuity is way less than ours. Add turbidity ( the amount of suspended silt/plant life and/or other organisms) and it's even less. I used to use 40 pound big game green for all my leaders and caught tons of fish day and night in flats water and deeper realms. Then I caught the Fluorocarbon bug, disapears in the water! Great! that will get me more fish I thought. Turns out it just ain't so.

Fishes ability to see varies from species to species. Some fish because of the way thier eyes are set see better from the side and some see better from the front ( our beloved Striped Bass see better from the front and slightly upward at that).

Some see the same color range as we do. Most do not. Marlin for example which I found really intriging, see only blues and greens, reds, browns and dirivitives there of are only seen as shades of gray.

Lures as we know, and thier coloration decrease in intensity the deeper the lure goes. After 15 feet color starts to rapidly loose inetensity. Greens and blues go first and reds/orange go after that but that is based on our eyes. Not fishes eyes.

The gist of the article was to debunk some myths about clear leaders and lure colors and detail of a lures design. No reason really to get very fine detail. It seems the number one deterrent or attractant is motion. It either moves like something edible or it doesn't and that they found triggers the most response of all.

Look it up they give some cool examples of how well fish can see and they have come up with a lot of new data.

[Casting Z's]

Originally Posted by Flaptail

There is anintersting article in the 2006 IGFA Yearbook about fish sight and the way they view things like color and motion. It made me think about some things and make some changes.

First is the real value of Fluorocarbon. Acuity in fish (acuity = ability to see detail) differs in relation to water clarity and amount of light. We think of fish seeing as we do. Not even close.

Even in the clearest of waters fishes acuity is way less than ours. Add turbidity ( the amount of suspended silt/plant life and/or other organisms) and it's even less. I used to use 40 pound big game green for all my leaders and caught tons of fish day and night in flats water and deeper realms. Then I caught the Fluorocarbon bug, disapears in the water! Great! that will get me more fish I thought. Turns out it just ain't so.

Fishes ability to see varies from species to species. Some fish because of the way thier eyes are set see better from the side and some see better from the front ( our beloved Striped Bass see better from the front and slightly upward at that).

Some see the same color range as we do. Most do not. Marlin for example which I found really intriging, see only blues and greens, reds, browns and dirivitives there of are only seen as shades of gray.

Lures as we know, and thier coloration decrease in intensity the deeper the lure goes. After 15 feet color starts to rapidly loose inetensity. Greens and blues go first and reds/orange go after that but that is based on our eyes. Not fishes eyes.

The gist of the article was to debunk some myths about clear leaders and lure colors and detail of a lures design. No reason really to get very fine detail. It seems the number one deterrent or attractant is motion. It either moves like something edible or it doesn't and that they found triggers the most response of all.

Look it up they give some cool examples of how well fish can see and they have come up with a lot of new data.

Nice work!

[Terence]

anyone use yo zuri Hybrid in 50 lb for leader? 1000 yds for about 25.00?

[ChiefLinesider]

Originally Posted by Terence

anyone use yo zuri Hybrid in 50 lb for leader? 1000 yds for about 25.00?

Are you selling it? Is that what that means?

[Terence]

No, using it. Its a good deal no?

[ChiefLinesider]

Originally Posted by Terence

No, using it. Its a good deal no?

Absolutely. Where did you find that deal. Unless its classified

[eelman]

Originally Posted by Flaptail

There is anintersting article in the 2006 IGFA Yearbook about fish sight and the way they view things like color and motion. It made me think about some things and make some changes.

First is the real value of Fluorocarbon. Acuity in fish (acuity = ability to see detail) differs in relation to water clarity and amount of light. We think of fish seeing as we do. Not even close.

Even in the clearest of waters fishes acuity is way less than ours. Add turbidity ( the amount of suspended silt/plant life and/or other organisms) and it's even less. I used to use 40 pound big game green for all my leaders and caught tons of fish day and night in flats water and deeper realms. Then I caught the Fluorocarbon bug, disapears in the water! Great! that will get me more fish I thought. Turns out it just ain't so.

Fishes ability to see varies from species to species. Some fish because of the way thier eyes are set see better from the side and some see better from the front ( our beloved Striped Bass see better from the front and slightly upward at that).

Some see the same color range as we do. Most do not. Marlin for example which I found really intriging, see only blues and greens, reds, browns and dirivitives there of are only seen as shades of gray.

Lures as we know, and thier coloration decrease in intensity the deeper the lure goes. After 15 feet color starts to rapidly loose inetensity. Greens and blues go first and reds/orange go after that but that is based on our eyes. Not fishes eyes.

The gist of the article was to debunk some myths about clear leaders and lure colors and detail of a lures design. No reason really to get very fine detail. It seems the number one deterrent or attractant is motion. It either moves like something edible or it doesn't and that they found triggers the most response of all.

Look it up they give some cool examples of how well fish can see and they have come up with a lot of new data.

Since a guy like Flap carries with him a ton of crediblity around these parts...re-read his post..Good job!

[eelman]

OK ! Since I do so well with live eels, I will tell you the secret...Its my leaders

I will tie them up for you at a cost of $10.00 a leader, I promise you will catch more bass...

[Slingah]

I don't need it....maybe if I fished the flats during the day...and when I do fish during the day the fish are usually going after something that I'm spashing all over the place anyway so I doubt they would be spooked by maybe being able to see mono.