Mid term elections....

[Bronko]

Originally Posted by stripersnipr

As far as I'm concerned the goals of the war were achieved quite some time ago. The task left at hand is to create an Internal Iraqi Security force capable of securing their own country. Hopefully with Rumsfelds departure that process can be expedited. The only thing for sure is an immediate withdrawal with no concern for the potential consequences would be a huge mistake.

Very well said.

Bottom line is the people have spoken. I think in the long run this purge will be a good thing. I like it because many of the democrats that were elected are known as being fiscally and socially conservative, which is exactly what I am.

Unfortunately, I have a strong suspicion that with Pelosi and Rangel in positions of power and with the democratic party in control of congress there will be a lot more impetus to conduct investigations, issue subpoenas and hold hearings to vilify the current administration. I have a feeling that with the blind hate many democrats have for the Bush crowd, that the focus will shift from the "mess" that is Iraq to the fufillment of personal vendettas. We shall see.

[stripersnipr]

Originally Posted by Bronko

Very well said.

Bottom line is the people have spoken. I think in the long run this purge will be a good thing. I like it because many of the democrats that were elected are known as being fiscally and socially conservative, which is exactly what I am.

Unfortunately, I have a strong suspicion that with Pelosi and Rangel in positions of power and with the democratic party in control of congress there will be a lot more impetus to conduct investigations, issue subpoenas and hold hearings to vilify the current administration. I have a feeling that with the blind hate many democrats have for the Bush crowd, that the focus will shift from the "mess" that is Iraq to the fufillment of personal vendettas. We shall see.

Agreed. If only that blind hatred could be channeled towards the true and sworn enemies of America we would be a stronger and safer nation.

[Skip N]

I almost threw up reading the projo this morning. There was a fluff piece on Pelosi how she is a "moderate" democrat! Who are these people trying to fool? How can a San Fran Liberal be a freakin' moderate.

And i just loved the piece on how america voted "liberal" They made the argument that because Arizona voted for gay marriage the entire country somehow is coming around to that view. I think someone forgot to tell them that every other state that had that question on the ballet rejected it! And in previous elections the same thing. But no, america supports this crap now becuase of ONE state?? WTF?


Liberalism is gonna be jammed down our throat the next two years, so get ready.

Its starting already.....

[stripersnipr]

Originally Posted by Skip N

I almost threw up reading the projo this morning. There was a fluff piece on Pelosi how she is a "moderate" democrat! Who are these people trying to fool? How can a San Fran Liberal be a freakin' moderate.

And i just loved the piece on how america voted "liberal" They made the argument that because Arizona voted for gay marriage the entire country somehow is coming around to that view. I think someone forgot to tell them that every other state that had that question on the ballet rejected it! And in previous elections the same thing. But no, america supports this crap now becuase of ONE state?? WTF?


Liberalism is gonna be jammed down our throat the next two years, so get ready.

Its starting already.....

There is no doubt that America as a whole rejects the ideology of the Far Left. Even the Far Left Liberals in this election had to disguise their true positions. Trying to force feed those values and that ideology to Americans is a recipe for failure. We will see. Has anyone looked at Pelosi's voting record on Illegal Immigration? I think the Lieberman/Lamont race was a pretty good indicator where moderate (majority) of America stands.

[spence]

Skippy, didn't you hear?

The first Bill of the Pelosi Congress has already been proposed

H.CON.RES.483 for the 110th Congress

MAKING HOMOSEXUALITY MANDATORY

Sec 1 - Realizing that the people of the United States of America enjoy better shopping, high-end restaurants and intellectually provocative artwork, it shall be determined that all US men shall be required to report to "grooming schools" positioned at all polling stations for immediate indoctrination.

-spence

[spence]

Originally Posted by Bronko

Unfortunately, I have a strong suspicion that with Pelosi and Rangel in positions of power and with the democratic party in control of congress there will be a lot more impetus to conduct investigations, issue subpoenas and hold hearings to vilify the current administration. I have a feeling that with the blind hate many democrats have for the Bush crowd, that the focus will shift from the "mess" that is Iraq to the fufillment of personal vendettas. We shall see.

Ok, then how about Congress just does it's job and ensures the Executive Branch operates in an ethical and productive manner?

What you see as a "vendetta" I see as personal accountability. I used to think that Republicans stood for that...perhaps it's why so many fled the GOP this time around.

-spence

[Bronko]

Originally Posted by spence

Ok, then how about Congress just does it's job and ensures the Executive Branch operates in an ethical and productive manner?

What you see as a "vendetta" I see as personal accountability. I used to think that Republicans stood for that...perhaps it's why so many fled the GOP this time around.

-spence

As long as the focus of our newly elected congress remains balanced and the safety and security of this great country is not compromised I will be satiated. I would just hate to see people tripping over each other in a mad rush to illustrate "personal accountability" while giving terrorists and individuals who want to harm this country a chance to take a deep breath.

I am not the only person who is extremely interested in seeing what plans this new congress has to cure the ills it has highlighted. There was a lot of rhetoric about getting out of Iraq, and exit strategies during these campaigns without an actual plan ever being set out. I wait with great anticipation.

[Skip N]

It's always frightening to see the enemys of the United states, such as Iran, celebrating the new Democratic congress.

Now this disturbs me....

[Flaptail]

Gentleman, let's get back on topic here. How would you propose, if it were you in thedrivers seat, we settle the mess in Iraq. What in your opinion is the clearest track to the resolution of this conflict?

[spence]

Originally Posted by Flaptail

Gentleman, let's get back on topic here. How would you propose, if it were you in thedrivers seat, we settle the mess in Iraq. What in your opinion is the clearest track to the resolution of this conflict?

After reading the most excellent book "The End of Iraq" by Peter Galbraith I'm leaning towards the Joe Biden plan for a more loose federation based along ethnic lines that uses a central government to manage oil revenues.

The only solution to these problems will be serious bi-partisan pragmatic thinking...and dumping Rummy was a positive first step.

-spence

[stripersnipr]

Originally Posted by spence

After reading the most excellent book "The End of Iraq" by Peter Galbraith I'm leaning towards the Joe Biden plan for a more loose federation based along ethnic lines that uses a central government to manage oil revenues.

The only solution to these problems will be serious bi-partisan pragmatic thinking...and dumping Rummy was a positive first step.

-spence

Thats an option and decision the Iraqi Government is entitled to.

[Skitterpop]

Ok..... since a very large number of combatants, Iraqi and foreign to Iraq, do not want us there at all I don`t see how its possible.

Saddam was The Don of a criminal empire which controlled a largely volatile nation by extreme brute force and control.... FEAR.

We are the enemy to many who live there. From Shock and Awe to all the ongoing policing and attempted inforcements and brutalities of war we are not the saviour country bringing peace and Democracy. We are the enemy.

We leave and the competing factions will only further devastate Iraq and each other in a quest for power and control.

Why are we there? I truly believe its about oil and establishing a base of operations for our military in an oil rich region. Said base would give us a foothold for future wars which seem impending.

I do not have an idea that I think is viable for a solution to staightening out this catastrophic mess.

It all appears to be a blackhole of sorts that destroys all who enter its field of influence.

On that cheery note..... I hope the fishing is better next year

[stripersnipr]

Originally Posted by Flaptail

Gentleman, let's get back on topic here. How would you propose, if it were you in thedrivers seat, we settle the mess in Iraq. What in your opinion is the clearest track to the resolution of this conflict?

Intense focus on training and strengthening of Iraqs internal security forces. They and they alone can quell the internal violence inside their country.

[spence]

Originally Posted by stripersnipr

Intense focus on training and strengthening of Iraqs internal security forces. They and they alone can quell the internal violence inside their country.

The problem isn't just training...there's a small issue with "motivation"

-spence