Men by name only

[spence]

Originally Posted by afterhours

with the methods they employ how can you expect ANY americans to be objective or supportive of their so called cause? i knew this would lead back to palestenian conflict 101.....

Many people around the world realize they have been shafted by just about everyone at some time or another. There's plenty of reason for some empathy without endorsing the means of the violent groups.

Arafat was a big part of the problem. It's very unfortunate that things got so much worse before he kicked. Had a more democratic approach taken root before the second Intifada things might look much better today...

-spence

[wheresmy50]

Originally Posted by spence

It's not about being a coward, it's about being effective. Their social structure enables them to behave in that manner, and as such it's simply a means to an end.

I'd think it would take some major balls (or drugs, or brainwashing) to blow yourself up.

Most importantly, how we perceive actions of radical Islamists is vastly different from how other Muslims perceive them. It's easy to write off behavior that we don't connect with as simply crazy, and in doing so we loose sight of what's really going on.

-spence

Thu rub here is that is doesn't matter what your culture thinks. Right and wrong are absolute, and you don't get a pass because your society accepts what you're doing. Otherwise, you have to say that slave owners did nothing wrong, Nazis did nothing wrong, etc. Your logic implies that as long as you get enough idiots to agree with you, you can do whatever you want.

They are murderers, no better or worse than any other.

[Duke41]

Geez,

Spence these guys are just plain bad. How the hell can you rationalize their behavoir. It is just low and scummy. People are opressed all over the world and most of thme don't blow themselves up over it. I think its a cultural thing, those dogs have no respect for woman or themselves. To use mothers and daughters as human sheilds is just f'ed up. Next thing you know they will be using babies and little girls as body armor. The whole thing just blows.

[spence]

Originally Posted by wheresmy50

Your logic implies that as long as you get enough idiots to agree with you, you can do whatever you want.

It doesn't imply that at all...absolutes are relative in context. Slavery was wrong, but many Americans still held in high regard today certainly didn't think so at the time.

-spence