How will.........

[RIJIMMY]

just a few things,
the deficit was just cut in half, lowest in 4 yrs, still huge, but in its way down
- with all the Repubs are for the rich crying....do you know the Pension Protection Act was just passed? That MADE INTO LAW, the 529 savings plans (tax free college savings ) and 401K limits. That helps everyone, not the rich. Funny, you dont hear about that, its not something Oprah or Rosie Odonnel are talking about.

[Flaptail]

Interesting. Though I thought that his bullhorn talk at ground zero after 9/11 was totally uninspiring and the he was still confused as to the actual impact this would have on all our lives. Not very inspirational. He didn't convey the feeling that he knew how sacred the ground he was standing on really was.

His taking on the terrorist, and I truly believe he thought he was doing the right thing, was based on mis-guided information. Simply put he put his countries resources into the wrong fight, that being Iraq. It was well known who did what where and why and Afghanistan was where the shock and awe campaign should have centered.

He like all the other Presidents since Roosevelt had taken an IQ test and he scored the lowest of any. Now just because you don't have a higher IQ score does not mean you won't make a good President but the vital piece that makes someone with a standard IQ stand out is common sense and though loyalty is a part of his make up there comes a time when no matter how much you covet a colleagues loyalty the best interst of the country which is and should always be your guiding principle, in his case his fierce loyalty to Rumsfeld and Cheney may have been one of his biggest liabilities. Common sense should have dictated more of his policy than loyalty. I beleive that certain memebers of his cabinet namely defense and the VP have actually used the Presidents sense of loyalty to thier own ends and this makes them dis-loyal to him.

In all his Presidency will be seen as a failure. Diplomacy has taken a back seat to bravado. The answers to the problems with which he faces have not come to him openely and honestly from those around him that should support him in that way. He is not a bad man merely a man that was in the wrong place at the wrong time in a situation he was not capable, intellectually, of dealing with.

Now we are in a quagmire that will not end in any peaceful way. We stay and the insurgence gets stronger and the mostly uneducated populace is swayed by the radical religious extremeism of radical Muslims. Their numbers grow daily. We leave and civil war and anarchy break out between rival Sunni and Shiite factions and many hundreds of thousands die, mostly innocents who are killed becuase of their faction affiliation. Tribal ways whose ties are centuries deep take hold and the counrty is split never to be what we, in our ignorance, tried to make it. Democracy is not for everyone and especially there in Iraq. Iraqi's did have it better under Hussein and Hussein could have been dealt with at a later date through other means. Hussein kept the other countries around him in check, Iran was scared to death of him after thier war in the early 80's for example.

G.W. just didn't have what it takes unfortunately for millions of people around the globe who looked to us as world leaders, a position I am afraid, due to the current administration, we no longer hold.

[spence]

Originally Posted by Flaptail

His taking on the terrorist, and I truly believe he thought he was doing the right thing, was based on mis-guided information.

And to this day he's still surrounded by and trusts those who presented him with a misguided case shaped by a misguided idiology.

This is pretty scary.

-spence