Hmmmmmm

[stormfish]

Originally Posted by Skip N

On the surface it sounds ok, leave them alone and let them live in a radical Islam society. However, the more radical these people get, the more they will want to attack us yet again. If we leave them alone they will be able to plan and carry out attacks with ease. We need to know what these animals are up to, because if we leave them alone, they will keep planning and attempt to carry out more attacks on the US.

We ignored them for years, and look what happened, 3000 dead Americans.

The root of the problem is Islam, if Islam could somehow become a non radical and a more moderate religion, the world would be a better place. Why the hell is there no big movement towards a more peaceful Islam? Whre are all the good Muslims speaking out and trying to stop and condemn the radical Islamists? if more GOOD muslims would speak up and become more mainstream, we might have a slight chance.

You have a point there but radical Islam has only been on a rise recently. I think it has something to do with our policies in Iraq. From what is being known, Arab culture has soaked in a lot of western culture before our invasion. Nowadays, their society has tighten up and become 'radical' due to the war. For example, before our invasions women in Iraq where allowed to where western clothing and makeup. Since our invasion, they're all covered in bed sheets.

I believe our presence in the Middle East only provoke 'radical' Islam instead of ridding it. What do you think must be done to rid of the 'Radical' Islamist?

[Skitterpop]

Radical Islam is older than dust.

[stormfish]

Originally Posted by Skitterpop

Radical Islam is older than dust.

Yes older but now more popular than ever!

[Skitterpop]

Will they do the Pope?

[Skip N]

Originally Posted by Skitterpop

Radical Islam is older than dust.

Right, radical Islam is nothing new. We just never realized how extensive it was until after the 9/11 attacks. Iraq had nothing to do with them being radicals like some say, they were f'ing nuts thousands of years ago too!

Something needs to be done IN Islam to fix it. It's the religion and how its taught in the Middle East that is causing all the issues. They live and die by Islam. There needs to be a HUGE out cry from moderate Muslims to let the Radicals know they will not tolerate the high jacking of thier religion.

But it won't happen, because i think most moderate Muslims are scared to death to speak out, for fear they might be targeted by the radicals.

[Skip N]

I've got the solution!! I heard today that the President of Iran, who is in the US for the big UN conference, declined an invitation to some dinner/get together hosted by the UN because he didnt want to be around the Alcohol that was being served at the function. I guess Muslims are anti booze, so he declined.

So i'm thinking we drop millions of bottles of Bud Light over these radical Islam countries. Maybe the booze will freak them out and force them to commit suicide in the name of Islam!!

[RIJIMMY]

Originally Posted by Skip N

I've got the solution!! I heard today that the President of Iran, who is in the US for the big UN conference, declined an invitation to some dinner/get together hosted by the UN because he didnt want to be around the Alcohol that was being served at the function. I guess Muslims are anti booze, so he declined.

So i'm thinking we drop millions of bottles of Bud Light over these radical Islam countries. Maybe the booze will freak them out and force them to commit suicide in the name of Islam!!

someday when you have some free time, read Frank Zappa's book. Cant remember the name. Its sort of a life story but he gives his opinion on a lot of things. One thing he talks about is using "pork" grenades against islamic militants. Not a bad idea.

[spence]

Originally Posted by Skip N

Right, radical Islam is nothing new. We just never realized how extensive it was until after the 9/11 attacks.

Actually Skipper, we encouraged it in the 1980's...history is a bitch I know...

-spence

[stormfish]

Originally Posted by spence

Actually Skipper, we encouraged it in the 1980's...history is a bitch I know...

-spence

Encouraged it? Wait a minute... 1980's has something to do with Afghanistan, Russia, and communism eh?

[stripersnipr]

Originally Posted by spence

Actually Skipper, we encouraged it in the 1980's...history is a bitch I know...

-spence

That doesn't explain the 1979 Iranian Hostage Crisis too well. Guess the 70's must have been encouraging for them too. Ever think maybe their hatred is driven by their perversion of Islam and its not all Americas fault?

[stormfish]

Originally Posted by Skip N

Iraq had nothing to do with them being radicals like some say, they were f'ing nuts thousands of years ago too!

Skippy, what I was trying to say is that since Iraq more Muslims are practicing 'radical' Islam. For example, kids are being taught about the Koran and to do the Jihad thing. Where before they were probably taught how to be a good Muslim. Since the invasion of Iraq, we have unified the Arab-Muslim world, and I'm sure the other than Isreal the US aren't the good guys in the Middle East. Hence, in Egypt, the most expensive dates (fruit) are called Bin Ladens. Remember that Saddam wasn't liked by many Arab countries, but now that he's gone they convene to fight to free Iraq from US control. And since we're not willing to leave Iraq because President Bush feels Iraqi troops haven't received adequate training, there will be more practices of radical Islam. Personally these Iraqis must be dumb because we've trained them for a while.

[stripersnipr]

Originally Posted by stormfish

Skippy, what I was trying to say is that since Iraq more Muslims are practicing 'radical' Islam. For example, kids are being taught about the Koran and to do the Jihad thing. Where before they were probably taught how to be a good Muslim. Since the invasion of Iraq, we have unified the Arab-Muslim world, and I'm sure the other than Isreal the US aren't the good guys in the Middle East. Hence, in Egypt, the most expensive dates (fruit) are called Bin Ladens. Remember that Saddam wasn't liked by many Arab countries, but now that he's gone they convene to fight to free Iraq from US control. And since we're not willing to leave Iraq because President Bush feels Iraqi troops haven't received adequate training, there will be more practices of radical Islam. Personally these Iraqis must be dumb because we've trained them for a while.

Bad news. kids were being taught to do the Jihad thing long before our invasion of Iraq. The "practices of radical Islam" as you call it (We call it Terrorism) have been going on since before Bush was elected. Did you know that? And what Arab couintries are fighting to free Iraq from American control? Do you have any idea how much support Arab nations have provided in the fight against Terrorism?

[Skitterpop]

Bring back the Crusades

The Holy Grail is oil.


Mad Max needs some fuel.

[stormfish]

Originally Posted by stripersnipr

Bad news. kids were being taught to do the Jihad thing long before our invasion of Iraq. The "practices of radical Islam" as you call it (We call it Terrorism) have been going on since before Bush was elected. Did you know that? And what Arab couintries are fighting to free Iraq from American control? Do you have any idea how much support Arab nations have provided in the fight against Terrorism?

No but is it safe to say more kids are being taught to do so? I mean kids born into tribal groups as the Taliban, Hezbollah and Hamas are undoubtly being taught the extremity of Radical Islamic teachings. Using examples from history to support my explanation: During the Vietnam war, towns were taught French one day and when the French were ousted, they learned Communism and when they left town they learned Democracy and when the commies came back they learned how to be commies. Things swing back and forth. I believe that since the on going war in Iraq they have no choice but to learn 'Radical' Islam.

There is no doubt that 'Radical' Islam has existed before Iraq, but was it as dominating as today? That's my question!

[stormfish]

Originally Posted by stripersnipr

And what Arab couintries are fighting to free Iraq from American control? Do you have any idea how much support Arab nations have provided in the fight against Terrorism?

Well let me see... There were reports of students from Lebonan/Syria/Saudi Arabia who are filthy rich doing suicide car bombings at checkpoints in Iraq. The war in Iraq aren't predominantly against the radicals originally from Iraq but also radicals or converted radicals from other countries. Bottomline it has become a Jihad convention. I highly doubt there were much if any terrorism in Iraq under Saddam's control. For every Terrorist we kill in Iraq 2 or 3 more are born.

[Skip N]

Originally Posted by stormfish

Well let me see... There were reports of students from Lebonan/Syria/Saudi Arabia who are filthy rich doing suicide car bombings at checkpoints in Iraq. The war in Iraq aren't predominantly against the radicals originally from Iraq but also radicals or converted radicals from other countries. Bottomline it has become a Jihad convention. I highly doubt there were much if any terrorism in Iraq under Saddam's control. For every Terrorist we kill in Iraq 2 or 3 more are born.

So using your logic, the United States should never go after Terrorists anywhere in the world, becasue by doing so, we will only create more. Is that your position? If so, then what do you suggest we do about Terrorists world wide? Especially in the Middle East. We have to do something, other wise they will run free and plan new attacks on the US. Doing nothing is not an option.

If we can't go after them, like i assume is your position, then what the hell can we do?? We tried ignoring them for years, and we ended up with 3000 dead Americans. Do you want to ignore them again? And just hope they'll go away??

And you need to understand that Iraq is not the root cause of these radical Islamists being nuts, the Terrorists you're seeing in Iraq, would be fighting and planning attacks even if the US wasnt in Iraq. You do know this right? These guys were not good little Muslims before we went to Iraq! They were freakin radicals Waaaay before we even had plans to Invade Iraq!

[Skip N]

Originally Posted by stormfish

You have a point there but radical Islam has only been on a rise recently. I think it has something to do with our policies in Iraq. From what is being known, Arab culture has soaked in a lot of western culture before our invasion. Nowadays, their society has tighten up and become 'radical' due to the war. For example, before our invasions women in Iraq where allowed to where western clothing and makeup. Since our invasion, they're all covered in bed sheets.

I believe our presence in the Middle East only provoke 'radical' Islam instead of ridding it. What do you think must be done to rid of the 'Radical' Islamist?

Radical Islam is nothing new, we just didnt realize how insane they were until the events of 9/11 woke us up.

And just so you know, radical Islam murdered 3000 Americans before we invaded Iraq. So your argument that America in Iraq is the root cause does not stand. They were nuts Loooong before we stepped foot in Iraq.