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Old 09-12-2006, 08:01 PM   #1
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Whose plan do you think Bush should ask America to go along with?
It's not really even about a "plan" as much as it is about a process...

From David Cameron, the UK's Conservative Party leader:

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...But I believe that in the last five years we have suffered from the absence of two crucial qualities which should always condition foreign policy-making. Humility, and patience. These are not warlike words. They are not so glamorous and exciting as the easy sound-bites we have grown used to in recent years. But these sound-bites had the failing of all foreign policy designed to fit into a headline. They were unrealistic and simplistic. They represented a view which sees only light and darkness in the world - and which believes that one can be turned to the other as quickly as flicking a switch. I do not see things that way. I am a liberal conservative, rather than a neo-conservative. Liberal - because I support the aim of spreading freedom and democracy, and support humanitarian intervention. Conservative - because I recognise the complexities of human nature, and am sceptical of grand schemes to remake the world. A liberal conservative approach to foreign policy today is based on five propositions. First, that we should understand fully the threat we face. Second, that democracy cannot quickly be imposed from outside. Third, that our strategy needs to go far beyond military action. Fourth, that we need a new multilateralism to tackle the new global challenges we face. And fifth, that we must strive to act with moral authority...
The Bush Administration has centralized power to a tiny group influenced heavily by a radically progressive and militarized idiology that has complete control.

To this end they have fought the war on their terms, and in doing so silenced the diverse voices that would typically call attention to potential pitfalls, disasterous misconceptions and obvious historical precident.

These perversions of objective thought have not only hurt our actions in Afghanistan, but led us foolishly into an Iraqi scenario without any real exit strategy.

These perversions of objective thought are uniting a billion Muslims rather than dividing the extreme from the mainstream.

They try to convince Americans that our longstanding International treaties, our own rule of law and civil liberties are not existent if we're dead...so they migt need to be sacrificed because terrorists hate us for our freedoms?

What the %$%$%$%$?

We need a united voice that will lead the world by example, and today we have anything but.

Stay true to this course and the solution will find it's way.

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I don`t think we should have gone there. I`d rather have seen all that money go into more highly trained and better equipped special forces for more precise targets of terrorism backed up of course with massive air support where appropriate.

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I don`t think we should have gone there. I`d rather have seen all that money go into more highly trained and better equipped special forces for more precise targets of terrorism backed up of course with massive air support where appropriate.
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Old 09-12-2006, 10:11 PM   #4
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Perhaps I`m jaded and more but all this debate about political nuances for me is too much blah blah blah. I do believe the real truth is more perfect and simply said even if its nature is fully chaotic.


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