Israel and World War III part four

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Originally Posted by stormfish

It seems as though Isreal was given the land without consideration towards the Arabs or their religion.

To some degree that's true. The Palestinians did fight along side the Britts under the assumption they would be rewarded in the future.

Although the situation with the Nazis did change things quite a bit. I believe there were a few options for where to create a homeland, but the push to reclaim their old lands was marketed at the right levels.

I believe over anxious Zionisim made the matter worse, along with a refusal among the Arab League to sanction the process...leading to the war in 47-48.

I wish to be enlightened some more... If the Jews didn't kill Jesus then who did? Was it the Romans or maybe the Muslims?

Ask Mel Gibson

-spence

[Skitterpop]

Originally Posted by spence

Ask Mel Gibson

-spence

Since you broke the barrier do you think its time for that special planet post? Though who would have all the service contracts if not robots or cyborgs

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Originally Posted by Skitterpop

Since you broke the barrier do you think its time for that special planet post? Though who would have all the service contracts if not robots or cyborgs

I have no idea what you're talking about

-spence

[Skitterpop]

Originally Posted by spence

I have no idea what you're talking about

-spence

just pretend as usual

[Homerun04]

Actually, it was the Romans.

I'm curious where you get your alternate version of history?

-spence

I'm no biblical scholar or anything, but wasn't Pontius Pilat the Roman Dictate who washed his hands of Jesus since he said he could find no guilt with him....and then turned him over to the Jewish high priests to "do as you please with him"...?? Sure, it is written that the Roman soldiers carried out the crucifixtion, but wasn't that because by law only the state could carry out a death sentence? Wasn't it actually the Jewish religious leaders who fated Christ to death?

BTW - I am a Christian that has deep sympathies for the Jewish people.....so I am not Jew-hating here.....and do not blame the Jews for Christ's death....I actually thank them for their role in it, as accordingly to my beleifs, it means I can now enter into Heaven....just my thoghts when I saw you write that the Romans killed Jesus.

[Homerun04]

And BTW, don't we have the Brits to blame for most of this mess.....after all, it was all their Empire at one time....it was their broken promise to the Arabs (Palestinians) that they would get their homeland back if they fought with the Allies during WWII....and then they turn around and give it to the Israelies instead......anyone else remember Laurence of Arabia..??

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Originally Posted by Homerun04

I'm no biblical scholar or anything, but wasn't Pontius Pilat the Roman Dictate who washed his hands of Jesus since he said he could find no guilt with him....and then turned him over to the Jewish high priests to "do as you please with him"...?? Sure, it is written that the Roman soldiers carried out the crucifixtion, but wasn't that because by law only the state could carry out a death sentence? Wasn't it actually the Jewish religious leaders who fated Christ to death?

I'm more matter of fact...the Romans killed Jesus.

Certainly many will argue that the Jews were so afraid of this progressive troublemaker that they used their influence to silence him.

But if Jesus was sent to Earth specifically to die for our sins it would seem that the Jewish leaders were just playing a supporting role.

This is important as the notion that the "Jews killed Jesus" has been used by many anti-semetic groups to incite their followers.

-spence

[Homerun04]

I'm more matter of fact...the Romans killed Jesus.

Yes, you see we can both be right and still have different answers....sounds a lot like the current situation in the Middle East....the classic definition of a dilemma.

The Roman soldiers carried out the physical crucifixtion of Jesus based on the Jewish leaders request for it.....and given that the Jews could not do it as it would be against Roman law to do so.

So who is to blame for the death of Jesus? If you ask the Palestinians, I am sure that somehow they would blame the US for the death of Jesus.....

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Originally Posted by Homerun04

The Roman soldiers carried out the physical crucifixtion of Jesus based on the Jewish leaders request for it.....and given that the Jews could not do it as it would be against Roman law to do so.

Didn't Jesus know he would be betrayed?

I'm not trying to argue semantics, but rather that in this context it has nothing to do with the root cause.

-spence