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Old 07-14-2006, 10:07 AM   #1
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I truly think this has NOTHING to do with the US. These are Isreals actions and not ours.
The US is the only nation standing behind Israel on this, we are directly endorsing their behavior. In the eyes of the muslim world there is little difference between the US and Israel.

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But, Hezzballoh is a terrorist organization and if Isreal wipes them out, I think its good.
The issue is the means not the ends. I don't think anyone believes Israel can eliminate the threat of Hizbolla by squeezing Lebanon as the problem is much broader.

In the process there's a lot of risk that this could explode into something much bigger. That is the issue...

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I am not for war, I am against it. but my entire life I have heard "Mid East Peace Talks" 100 times, with NO true progress.
That's a good point. The bigger problem has been that the palestenians are looking for parity, and Israel doesn't really want to give it. The Israelis are looking for security and the Palestenians have been unwilling (or unable) to provide it.

But again, it's a bigger issue than just the two people...and that's the problem. The US has used our UN veto repeatedly to hide Israeli actions that most people would think unreasonable or illegal. At the same time neighboring Arab and Persian states have used the Palestenians in a proxy war vs Jewish and Western interests.

Personally I think a third party solution is the only way...but...

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Old 07-14-2006, 01:54 PM   #2
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The US is the only nation standing behind Israel on this, we are directly endorsing their behavior. In the eyes of the muslim world there is little difference between the US and Israel. -spence
So we should'nt support Isreal trying to protect thier people from death and destruction? The way people think in the world today is quite scary and mindbogling. Everyone condems Isreal, yet no one will condem North Korea or Iran. The world is %$%$%$%$ed up. I guess the world just hates Jews and Isreal After what the Jewish people went through Sixty plus years ago, the world doesnt even have the courage to stand behind them and support them for trying to keep thier people safe. The world supports terroists more than it does a country defending its people from death and destruction. Its really sad to watch.
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So we should'nt support Isreal trying to protect thier people from death and destruction?
No Skippy that's not the issue.

You seem to have a very blanket view of the situation. Either Israel is always right, or always wrong...

That's just not how the world works.

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Old 07-14-2006, 02:12 PM   #4
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No Skippy that's not the issue.

You seem to have a very blanket view of the situation. Either Israel is always right, or always wrong...

That's just not how the world works.

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In this case Isreal is right.... They're doing what needs to be done
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Old 07-14-2006, 02:24 PM   #5
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They're doing what needs to be done
Causing global instability?

Checked the price of oil today Skippy???

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Old 07-14-2006, 04:34 PM   #7
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bla bla bla... Sorry if my support of Isreal being able to defend its self makes me a right wing nut. Are you having a cookout with your good friends Hezzbalah this weekend? Your tone suggests you take the opposite view of mine, wich i can only believe meens you take the side of Hezbalah right? Please tell me who's side your on, so i dont sit here and believe you support Hezbala.

Isreal or Hezzbala? You and Spence tell me who's side your on right now? God i hope not the side many of us on this board think.....Please prove us wrong!
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Causing global instability?

Checked the price of oil today Skippy???

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Ok, so we should let Isreal get slaughtered just so you can save a buck on your gas? Thats really nice of you.

What has diplomacy settled over the past decade or two? Nothing, Isrealis are still getting slaughtered and now they've had enough. We here in the US would do the same if we were in thier situation. I should hope so anyway, i'd hate to have a president affter say 9/11, sit back and do nothing just so Americans can save 50 cents a gallon on gas. Im sorry but thats insane

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