ZARQAWI killed

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Originally Posted by nightfighter

WTF, and I suppose you would consider Goring and Hess straw men too?????? Try telling that to families who have lost loved ones over there.

I think you're missing the point.

He was a bad guy, helped to kill our troops and for that I'm glad he's in little pieces.

But while his involvement in Iraqi violence in reality has been pretty small, it's been portrayed as the major source of instability to distract the media from the real issue of sectarian violence.

Not to mention how before the war Zarqawi was used as evidence of a Saddam/al Qaida collaboration which was a bogus claim...

Great, he's dead and it's a nagging mission we can check off the list...but the notion that this is a game changing event isn't supported by the facts as have been reported by our own military.

-spence

[stripersnipr]

Originally Posted by spence

I think you're missing the point.

He was a bad guy, helped to kill our troops and for that I'm glad he's in little pieces.

But while his involvement in Iraqi violence in reality has been pretty small, it's been portrayed as the major source of instability to distract the media from the real issue of sectarian violence.

Not to mention how before the war Zarqawi was used as evidence of a Saddam/al Qaida collaboration which was a bogus claim...

Great, he's dead and it's a nagging mission we can check off the list...but the notion that this is a game changing event isn't supported by the facts as have been reported by our own military.

-spence

Beheading American civilians is small involvement in violence? And like it or not when a field operative in a leadership position is eliminated the game changes. What is it with Liberals trying to down play every signifigant American success in Iraq?

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Originally Posted by stripersnipr

Beheading American civilians is small involvement in violence? And like it or not when a field operative in a leadership position is eliminated the game changes. What is it with Liberals trying to down play every signifigant American success in Iraq?

What Zarqawi did do intentionally had a big impact media wise (hell he pissed off nearly as many Muslims as he did Americans) but in relative terms the influence of foreign fighters wasn't the prime source of instability problems, nor is it's elimination the solution. It will help, but how much remains to be seen...

And this isn't about being negative to American success...my comments are to put the event into perspective as the Administration has distorted his role.

Did you know that in 2004 NBC reported the Pentagon requested permission 3 times to take Zarqawi out (before the Iraq war) in 2002. They were concerned he would raise some hell in Europe and given the post 9/11 mindset wanted to eliminate the problem.

The requests were denied as the Administration didn't want to upset their case for war with Saddam. Much better to make wild accusations Zarqawi and Saddam were drinking tea together on cool evenings after evening prayers

He was an evil man and our special ops have spent 2 freaking years tracking him down...but his role in this chapter of the "war on terror" should be looked at in context. The real world is a lot more nuanced than many would like to believe.

-spence

[Skip N]

Originally Posted by stripersnipr

Beheading American civilians is small involvement in violence? And like it or not when a field operative in a leadership position is eliminated the game changes. What is it with Liberals trying to down play every signifigant American success in Iraq?

Good news in Iraq and the war on terror is bad news for Liberals. They are basing thier entire 2006 election campaign on negative news. Your telling me Howard Dean didnt burst out with a big "oh %$%$%$%$" when he heard Zarqawi was dead!? Its sad, but we know how they operate. Heck look at Likwid, he cant bring himself to praise our troops for taking out Zarqawi, he'd rather bash Bush and be all negative. And this is why the Libs won't be taking over congress in 06They have NO ideas or plans, thier success in 06 is based on bad news coming from Iraq. How pathetic is that??

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Originally Posted by Skip N

Good news in Iraq and the war on terror is bad news for Liberals. They are basing thier entire 2006 election campaign on negative news. Your telling me Howard Dean didnt burst out with a big "oh %$%$%$%$" when he heard Zarqawi was dead!?

Skippy, quit listenting to talk radio

-spence

[Skip N]

Originally Posted by spence

Skippy, quit listenting to talk radio

-spence

Sorry, talk radio is a drug to me