Gas, the war, and our future... this makes you think!

[Bliz]

Cut and pasted it Tinman.

Just removed the faith references as to appease those on the site who take offense to it.

The points Chuck mentions are certainly worth looking at...

Makes you think!

[spence]

I'd agree with a good percentage of it as written. Most of the issues discussed are very real dangers to our future way of life.

Are we so arrogant to believe that the USA can't fall?

All the warning signs are there for a collapse of our great society yet we continue to dig a deeper hole...

It doesn't mean it's inevitable, it does mean we have to think.

Today there is little thinking...just people shrugging off what they don't want to deal with.

-spence

[Diamond Tackle]

Makes me think you guys have too much time on your hands.
Keep predicting the collapse of our society and how its all OUT fault and your wish may come true.
Its certainly not the fault of those poor freedom fighters that strap bombs to themselves and want to kill all the infidels like you and me.

Bliz, If you QUOTE someone, its just common sense(and your legal obligation) to give that person credit, You learn that in like what 7th grade?
I got you LOVE PM by the way , right back at you.

[spence]

Originally Posted by Tinman

Keep predicting the collapse of our society and how its all OUR fault and your wish may come true.
Its certainly not the fault of those poor freedom fighters that strap bombs to themselves and want to kill all the infidels like you and me.

So you think there are no long term consequences to energy dependence or fiscal imbalance?

This appears to be "head in the sand" sort of thinking.

Problems do often correct themselves, but given the dramatic changes to our world the old solutions may not longer be applicable.

Why are you so afraid of "ideas"?

-spence

[Diamond Tackle]

Im just afraid of your ideas spence.oke:

"So you think there are no long term consequences to energy dependence or fiscal imbalance?"

In a few years we will no longer be dependent on foreing energy, this is just a speedbump IMO. CHINA will then be dependent on foreign energy. Longterm for us I think solar,Hydro,nuclear(or as bush likes to pronouce it "nuclar", see I have a sense of humor) and other non follsil fuels will make up the difference in the demand that exceeds the supply at this time. As to the fiscal imbalance, i will leave that to the beancounters in power, as much as we dont like the sound of 7 trill dollars, im sure they are more qualified than you or I to make the #s work. I would rather be alive and broke, than rich under 6 feet of dirt. See how easy that is ?

"This appears to be "head in the sand" sort of thinking."

Nahh, just a little faith in the people we elected and the troops that are fighting for your freedoms overseas.
Thre only head in the sand thinking I see, is from people that think we can just simply walk away from this mess and all the problems will all just go away.

"Problems do often correct themselves, but given the dramatic changes to our world the old solutions may not longer be applicable."

SO why dont you put on that thinking cap of yours and come up with some viable solutions, and then get them to the right people via proper channels, rather than playing monday morning quarterback here with us who are " so afraid of "ideas"?

[Nebe]

Originally Posted by Tinman

In a few years we will no longer be dependent on foreing energy, this is just a speedbump IMO.

while i am not disagreing with you, Massachusetts just voted down a wind farm that could have provided alot of juice to the grid.. the reason- "it will look ugly and ruin my ocean view" shesh

[Skip N]

Originally Posted by Nebe

while i am not disagreing with you, Massachusetts just voted down a wind farm that could have provided alot of juice to the grid.. the reason- "it will look ugly and ruin my ocean view" shesh

I told ya the Kennedys sucked Nebe!

[spence]

Originally Posted by Tinman

In a few years we will no longer be dependent on foreing energy, this is just a speedbump IMO. CHINA will then be dependent on foreign energy. Longterm for us I think solar,Hydro,nuclear(or as bush likes to pronouce it "nuclar", see I have a sense of humor) and other non follsil fuels will make up the difference in the demand that exceeds the supply at this time.

In a few years? I'm not sure where you get your optimism...

We're probably about 15-20 years behind the curve in developing alternate sources of energy that can have a meaningful impact on our energy demands. While there are some options, I've yet to see anything that's going to solve the problem.

We know that the energy industry is in no rush to progress. Fossil fuels contain a huge amount of cheap energy. What's the incentive for industry to bear the tremendous cost to move?

There isn't one...

Yes, industry will eventually shift...but what's the national security and economic impact if there's a crunch in 5 -10 years like most experts predict, and the solution for the masses is still years off?

As to the fiscal imbalance, i will leave that to the beancounters in power, as much as we dont like the sound of 7 trill dollars, im sure they are more qualified than you or I to make the #s work.

But the beancounters in Congress have SOLD YOU OUT to corporate interests focused on shareholder value...not your children.

Thre only head in the sand thinking I see, is from people that think we can just simply walk away from this mess and all the problems will all just go away.

Why so black and white?

If you don't agree with the current course than you stand for nothing?

That's patently absurd.

SO why dont you put on that thinking cap of yours and come up with some viable solutions, and then get them to the right people via proper channels, rather than playing monday morning quarterback here with us who are " so afraid of "ideas"?

I'm trying to vote in those I think will help as well as educate others on what the problems are, so they can vote as well.

-spence

[Skip N]

Originally Posted by Bliz

Cut and pasted it Tinman.

Just removed the faith references as to appease those on the site who take offense to it.

The points Chuck mentions are certainly worth looking at...

Makes you think!

Ahhh gotta appease the Athiests now aye? Now you offend me for censoring someones article to make it all PC to fit your taste. Thats so lame. If someone reads an article and sees the word God or whatever and gets all pissed then to bad. get over it. You dont censor someones writing to make it fit your agenda and taste Your one of of those hardcore PC folks i guess who freaks out when then see the word God and is afraid they might offend someone if they say the wrong thing. Dude chill out, a religious referance wont harm you or anyone!

[spence]

I don't think Bliz's intent was to censor the religion, but rather to let the topics stand on their own...

-spence

[The Dad Fisherman]

My God (there I said It) If anyone ever needed to chill out.......

Originally Posted by Skip N

Ahhh gotta appease the Athiests now aye? Now you offend me for censoring someones article to make it all PC to fit your taste. Thats so lame. If someone reads an article and sees the word God or whatever and gets all pissed then to bad. get over it. You dont censor someones writing to make it fit your agenda and taste Your one of of those hardcore PC folks i guess who freaks out when then see the word God and is afraid they might offend someone if they say the wrong thing. Dude chill out, a religious referance wont harm you or anyone!

[Skip N]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

My God (there I said It) If anyone ever needed to chill out.......

Good for you! I just didn't understand why Bliz needed to remove all referances to religion from that article. To me thats more offensive than anything! Let the article stand on its own for "gods" sake. Sorry Bliz if that God word offended you or anyone else, accually no i'm not, deal with it!

[The Dad Fisherman]

You do realize i was talking about you when I said "if Anyone ever needed to chill out" ....not Bliz

I don't think Bliz took it out because it offended him....I think he took it out so nobody would get all in his face about it......but it didn't work.

Originally Posted by Skip N

Good for you! I just didn't understand why Bliz needed to remove all referances to religion from that article. To me thats more offensive than anything! Let the article stand on its own for "gods" sake. Sorry Bliz if that God word offended you or anyone else, accually no i'm not, deal with it!

[Skip N]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

You do realize i was talking about you when I said "if Anyone ever needed to chill out" ....not Bliz

I don't think Bliz took it out because it offended him....I think he took it out so nobody would get all in his face about it......but it didn't work.

Your right, Bliz did not take the relgion out of the article because he was anti religion, he was worried some of the anti religion folks on here might see the religion in the article and disregard the whole article becuase of that. I misunderstood his intensions and i was wrong.

[spence]

Originally Posted by Skip N

Your right, Bliz did not take the relgion out of the article because he was anti religion, he was worried some of the anti religion folks on here might see the religion in the article and disregard the whole article becuase of that. I misunderstood his intensions and i was wrong.

You're almost there...

-spence

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by Skip N

I misunderstood his intensions and i was wrong.

......OH MY GOD....This must be the Year I get that 50.