Immigration and Illegal aliens

[Joe]

Are you a republican? If you are, you should think about the issue in practical terms of power and forwarding conservative ideology. The language issue and the drain on social services component is not much of a consideration in terms of holding the majority and keeping red states red.

If you're a conservative you should be firmly sided with the Latino population on this point. If the republicans lose the inroads they've made with Latino voters - they're screwed. Lose Congress in the midterms (that looks like a certainty) and lose the White House in 2008 and the only person left espousing hard right ideology will be Rush and Bill O'Reilly.

[Nebe]

Originally Posted by Joe

Lose Congress in the midterms (that looks like a certainty) and lose the White House in 2008 and the only person left espousing hard right ideology will be Rush and Bill O'Reilly.

one can only hope

[stripersnipr]

Originally Posted by Nebe

one can only hope

If you think there will be an improvement your dreaming. Same old same old but with higher taxes, more handout social programs (illegal alien bait).

[Flaptail]

Problem is that the really qualified people who should run for President won't because, a. not enough money personally,b. did something in thier past they are not proud of but it was done in a time of the foolishness of youth (ie: smoke pot), c. wouldn't put thier families through something like a campaign and the negative ads d. are Independents or like myself, non-attached to any party, in this country your chances of getting elected if not a democrat or (God forbid) a conservative republican are almost nil. e. your a not a regular church goer and don't believe you need a middle man to talk to God. f. your a black women or black man or Jewish or both and the first one who is elected ( and someday hopefully they will) will be a target for some redneck or neo-nazi with an itchy trigger finger who is "fighting for his race" whatever that means. g. your educational background is lacking a degree but your common sense and natural degree of inteligence to see right from wrong and judge it so still won't overcome the stigma.

That's all.

[Joe]

Bush has one DUI and a ten-year lapse in his resume where he was essentially drunk. His most memorable academic achievement was being able to rattle off all his frat brothers regardless of how much he drank. Cheney's got 2 DUI's and has publicly admitted to having "other priorities" instead of military service.

But yet they are viewed as virtuous and have been credited with restoring honor to the Oval Office. Why? Because there has been no Monica scandal? What the f_ck did that matter? If you fired everybody who ever got a bj from a fat chick at work nobody would have a job.

[Clogston29]

Very true. Some of us are alittle more discreet though.

[kevin d]

Well, illegal is illegal.
As for learning the language. I have no problem with people being bilingual. If they move here they need to learn English. Don't administer ANY test in their home language, the highway signs are in English. When I was in Japan I had to learn to speak Japanese to deal with the locals. Get away from the border towns in Mexico and you had better know Spanish if you want to do business there.
There simply is no "melting" left to the melting pot if people aren't forced to adapt.

[stripersnipr]

Originally Posted by Joe

Bush has one DUI and a ten-year lapse in his resume where he was essentially drunk. His most memorable academic achievement was being able to rattle off all his frat brothers regardless of how much he drank. Cheney's got 2 DUI's and has publicly admitted to having "other priorities" instead of military service.

But yet they are viewed as virtuous and have been credited with restoring honor to the Oval Office. Why? Because there has been no Monica scandal? What the f_ck did that matter? If you fired everybody who ever got a bj from a fat chick at work nobody would have a job.

"I did not have sexual relations with that woman"

[Skip N]

Originally Posted by Joe

Bush has one DUI and a ten-year lapse in his resume where he was essentially drunk. His most memorable academic achievement was being able to rattle off all his frat brothers regardless of how much he drank. Cheney's got 2 DUI's and has publicly admitted to having "other priorities" instead of military service.

But yet they are viewed as virtuous and have been credited with restoring honor to the Oval Office. Why? Because there has been no Monica scandal? What the f_ck did that matter? If you fired everybody who ever got a bj from a fat chick at work nobody would have a job.

Wow I didnt know he was drunk for ten years straight, Thats news to me. Just like a typical Dem, you resort to Anti Bush crap instead of sticking to the issue at hand and debating. But then again, thats the Dems agenda to win elections, Attack Bush and who cares what we stand for! America has no clue what you stand for!! And you wont win elections if you have no ideas other than attack Bush. Its old and tiring and people see right through it all

Funny, you rip Cheney for his non military service, yet you dont say a word about ole' bubba dodging the draft... Got double standard?

[Joe]

Yes...I think Clinton hid out at Oxford on a Rhodes Scholarship...

W did not have the resume to become president. His father did - his father was bright guy, a war hero, a long record of distinguished public service - I voted for him the first time.

I'm not a Dem either - I'm an Independent....

[Nebe]

Originally Posted by Skip N

Wow I didnt know he was drunk for ten years straight, Thats news to me. Just like a typical Dem, you resort to Anti Bush crap instead of sticking to the issue at hand and debating. But then again, thats the Dems agenda to win elections, Attack Bush and who cares what we stand for! America has no clue what you stand for!! And you wont win elections if you have no ideas other than attack Bush. Its old and tiring and people see right through it all

Funny, you rip Cheney for his non military service, yet you dont say a word about ole' bubba dodging the draft... Got double standard?

http://www.youngwomenshealth.org/tampon.html

[CAL]

Originally Posted by Joe

If you fired everybody who ever got a bj from a fat chick at work nobody would have a job.

[Skip N]

Originally Posted by Joe

Are you a republican? If you are, you should think about the issue in practical terms of power and forwarding conservative ideology. The language issue and the drain on social services component is not much of a consideration in terms of holding the majority and keeping red states red.

If you're a conservative you should be firmly sided with the Latino population on this point. If the republicans lose the inroads they've made with Latino voters - they're screwed. Lose Congress in the midterms (that looks like a certainty) and lose the White House in 2008 and the only person left espousing hard right ideology will be Rush and Bill O'Reilly.

Unlike you, i don't sell my soul to a political party. Yes i hold conservative views, but i don't support bending over and doing whatever it takes to win and get votes for the republican party. Especially if it meens going against what you believe. I put the country first and always will. If doing what's right means losing votes and support, then so be it. Sometimes the right thing is not always the popular thing.