Well? Where Is All The RISSA Show Chatter?

[NIB]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

Dennis from Gibbs is a nice guy.Everyone is copying somebody and that's called free enterprise.Hab seems to have enough buyers for his wood,no matter how many pieces he makes.The cream always rises to the top.

Smalley was the last name of the guy I talked to not sure if that is Dennis or his partner.Yes he did seem like a nice guy.
It is obvious there are no rules in the war(Free enterprize) of plugbuilding.I would be embarassed to blantently copy something like that.Needle styles are simple to vary on why not try something on thier own.I pulled a white HAB's outa my bag an showed it to my friends (not really up on all the plug stuff)they could not believe thier eyes.The prices won't be too different to matter an in Gibbs limited color selections I don't think they would do as well goin that route as if they came up wit something different on thier own.Really makes Poor buisness sense to me..Perhaps thats why they cry the blues at gibbs.I shouldn't Bomb as bad as the 3oz darter.because at least it'll catch fish.Sure copy from the best.why not.When it comes to the needle Habs is still # 1.

[BernOC]

Howdy NIB
Just curious as to why you say the Tattoo's 2oz darters are nicer than beachmasters? The 2oz BM's I have dig better than anything I've ever used and look fantastic. What makes them..."nicer" or stand above the rest?

[NIB]

Originally Posted by BernOC

Howdy NIB
Just curious as to why you say the Tattoo's 2oz darters are nicer than beachmasters? The 2oz BM's I have dig better than anything I've ever used and look fantastic. What makes them..."nicer" or stand above the rest?

Hey Bernie where u there.?
Would have loved to see ya again..
I said they where much nicer.I should have known the BM crowd wouldn't like that.Sometimes I don't think things thru all the way as beauty is in the eye of the beholder.The 2 oz. Tattoo I have swam great it does what a darter does dart.Not overly darty.an it doesn't dig too much but holds in current.I think Tattoo does a much better job painting em.Yes beachmaster has gotten a little more variations in thier color schemes in the past few yrs.Everybody knows the basic colors are all u really need.But I'm a plug freak an From what I seen at the show there is really no comparison.I know Ur A die hard BM guy but u should check out the tattoo's when they become available.Maybe I'll trade u one for a BM.

[Sea Dangles]

So what do you say to HAB-A-TAT when they make mureels?Gibbs was making needles before these guys even fished.Buy the best,buy Habs.But as far as blatantly copying plugs,I doubt any maker has been copied in one way or another than Gibbs.Of course it's not Stan but a company that bears his name.IMO the only Gibbs worth buying is the polaris.

[luds]

I noticed the new needle had a spro swivel. I wonder if it will when it's finally available. That would be weird if they put theat plug out with good hardware and continue to put everything else out with sh*t hardware.

[likwid]

J-Habs, Don, Al, Norby, John, Pete & crew etc.

[Clogston29]

I noticed the gibbs needle too. They definately weren't too creative on the look of the needle but they guy I talked to said that it would be a floater, so at least that part is different. The thing that I though was kind of weird is that they're calling it "The Original Gibb's Needle" or something along those lines. I've never seen an early gibb's needle that looked like that.

[Mike P]

The original Gibbs needle was like an ounce, maybe 3/4 oz, and it had screw eyes. I have a couple, still.

Dennis is Dennis Ryan, and Smalley is Dan Smalley.

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by Mike P

The original Gibbs needle was like an ounce, maybe 3/4 oz, and it had screw eyes. I have a couple, still.

And as long as you don't have the audacity to fish a darter in April

[NIB]

Originally Posted by Mike P

The original Gibbs needle was like an ounce, maybe 3/4 oz, and it had screw eyes. I have a couple, still.

Dennis is Dennis Ryan, and Smalley is Dan Smalley.

I have a few also.
I guess i spoke to Dan then.

[NIB]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

So what do you say to HAB-A-TAT when they make mureels?Gibbs was making needles before these guys even fished.Buy the best,buy Habs.But as far as blatantly copying plugs,I doubt any maker has been copied in one way or another than Gibbs.Of course it's not Stan but a company that bears his name.IMO the only Gibbs worth buying is the polaris.

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Yes everything has been done before.We all know that.Stan didn't invent the needle fish either.
No one on the next aisle over is sellin mureels.They also made sure the due respect was payed.Thats the difference.Its apples an oranges.

[Sea Dangles]

Originally Posted by NIB

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Yes everything has been done before.We all know that.Stan didn't invent the needle fish either.
No one on the next aisle over is sellin mureels.They also made sure the due respect was payed.Thats the difference.Its apples an oranges.

Imitation is another word for respect.If you knew what I know then you would understand imitation is overblown.It has happened before and it might happen again.

[NIB]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

Imitation is another word for respect.If you knew what I know then you would understand imitation is overblown.It has happened before and it might happen again.

Well being As I am Not Kreskin an last time I tried I couldn't read into what someone else is thinking.Especially on the INTERNET. I can only go on what I SEE. It was plain to the eye a outright copy.To the point I could have taking a HABS out of the package an switched em on the table an the display guy would not have known the difference.I have no idea what u are talking about.It seems u have some hidden agenda.Good for U.U seem to agree an then disagree with my replies.Kinda like arguing with a woman. I really have no need to get involved in all the plug building BS that goes on up there.I get enough of it here in NJ.I am a Plug freak. I have many from all the builders.I even got some Salty's this yr.Imagine that.He tells me I may have a few more.Which is frightening really

[UserRemoved1]

I guarantee you Nib spent an hour that night closely inspecting every plug in his bag to figure out which one's he had

What's this plug war crap in the projo outdoor column? WTF is up with this drivel.

[Slipknot]

Originally Posted by #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&

What's this plug war crap in the projo outdoor column? WTF is up with this drivel.

Blaming it on the internet isn't the entire story. Sure the internet helps it expand and can accelerate it but my feelings are that back in the old days when builders shared like we do in the plug forum, they did it because there were not many wooden salt water plugs out there. And they got along and helped the sport by providing quality plugs as an alternative to fishing bait. So the 3 or 4 guys doing it got along famously.
Go forward in time in this fast paced world we live in today and there's pressure to make a living so when money gets involved and competition causes animosity between some because of lying or whatever, then things get out of hand. Word travels quickly in the fishing community and rumors start up and accusations spread. Secondhand info gets pasted on the forums and it makes everyone look bad. If ya keep ya nose clean and have integrity then ya don't have to worry about all the backstabbing and two faced crap that goes on. It sounds like baby chit to me, that's why I will not go into the plug business. Someone once asked me if that kind of crap happens in my business and I really didn't know or think about it, but I guess it can happen. I just try to make a living, if another place cuts my price and gets a job then so be it, I am not a great salesman, I let the quality of my work speak for itself but these days you need more than that because most people just see dollar signs, not many are concerned with quality or know enough to care.
I wonder if the guy who wrote that article really thought that blurb in the paper would help sell newspapers I wonder why he thought it was neccesary to include it. I guess he reads the forums too.
So let's not start debating the plug wars here at S-B, we'll leave that to the other sites

NIB, that's not what you told me. You said you COULD read others' minds on the internet.

[NIB]

Originally Posted by #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&

I guarantee you Nib spent an hour that night closely inspecting every plug in his bag to figure out which one's he had

What's this plug war crap in the projo outdoor column? WTF is up with this drivel.

Link? I tried to get it but didn't feel like loggin on to another site.......