OTW "Striper Cup Tourney" Format is Irresponsible to the Fishery

[stiff tip]

wooooooow clammer if you dont want "in "just say so ..the concept the derby is to have a good time and catch a few fish???i dont think anybody in the otw office ,or any of the sponsers want to kill the striped bass fishies ...these people who put this clam bake together are people fish and love the sport..you got to love your job??to do it right ,,and otw is a quality rag with good inten ,the derby is set up for the FISHERMAN best intress...w/o you readers ,no rag give the derby a chance ..rules can get changed for the good ,,we need people like you for help and advice first,,than your criticism,, if nothing good happens then criticize to start....'' i like ONE fish a week ''and for me its 30lbs or better .. clammer thanks for your humble opinion ???? dave laporte ........p.s. this was not ment to be a WARbut a fishin derby ,be a fisherman and give it a chance.......

[Skitterpop]

Originally Posted by stiff tip

wooooooow clammer if you dont want "in "just say so ..the concept the derby is to have a good time and catch a few fish???i dont think anybody in the otw office ,or any of the sponsers want to kill the striped bass fishies ...these people who put this clam bake together are people fish and love the sport..you got to love your job??to do it right ,,and otw is a quality rag with good inten ,the derby is set up for the FISHERMAN best intress...w/o you readers ,no rag give the derby a chance ..rules can get changed for the good ,,we need people like you for help and advice first,,than your criticism,, if nothing good happens then criticize to start....'' i like ONE fish a week ''and for me its 30lbs or better .. clammer thanks for your humble opinion ???? dave laporte ........p.s. this was not ment to be a WARbut a fishin derby ,be a fisherman and give it a chance.......

Lets see what develops and what positive changes can be made.

Mike

[spence]

I don't think anyone at OTW is thinking about killing bass...

They're just looking for a way to boost readership, without thinking of the masses who will be dragging in two 34" per week over the entire season thinking they just might have a shot.

It's not like this is a weekend event!

Tourney's are not evil, but times have changed since the 1950's OTW is trying to memorialize.

-spence

[Skitterpop]

Ok...................................... so 467 people enter. If 300 of them catch and kill 5 bass each over 35#....1500 dead breeding females.

If 1021 people enter and 751 of them catch and kill 10 bass each over 25# ....7,510 dead breeding females.

(most but not all would necessarily be females)

Maybe if the minimum size limit was 45# and you could only kill and report 3 max.......893 entered 142 accomplished this...thats still 426 dead females who could breed again.

I`m tired and not making any sense....anyone have any ideas how this might work without killing too many Striped Bass?

[stiff tip]

Originally Posted by spence

I don't think anyone at OTW is thinking about killing bass...

They're just looking for a way to boost readership, without thinking of the masses who will be dragging in two 34" per week over the entire season thinking they just might have a shot.

It's not like this is a weekend event!

Tourney's are not evil, but times have changed since the 1950's OTW is trying to memorialize.

-spence

spence with all new derbys there is got to be a start ...our own constiatution was written buy men that did,nt all agree but talked an reasoned thinks out ...the otw people want to work with you fisher people,,they did not put up a ton of money ,and drag the sponsors into a pi$$in match ,,,,as for proffit so far i,ve seen more doe go out than come in ...do they sell more mags i hope so ..guys its a good home town mag w/ a good intent,give it a chance stay w/ a open mind ????? p. s. i,ve seen many of 1000 s of pounds of bass throne over board on the gill net boats and dragers ,as useless by -catch off chatham ...now that makes me sick....i like one fish a week ,, the rules can change ..but w/o your imput and patiance it cant happen?????if it aint good e-nuff for you i,m sorryi hurt your feel goods,,,,,dave

[NIB]

Originally Posted by spence

I don't think anyone at OTW is thinking about killing bass...

They're just looking for a way to boost readership, without thinking of the masses who will be dragging in two 34" per week over the entire season thinking they just might have a shot.

It's not like this is a weekend event!

Tourney's are not evil, but times have changed since the 1950's OTW is trying to memorialize.

-spence

Well can u blame a magazine for tryin to boost readership.I love OTW I can't wait to get it.As i see most do here.It bridges the gap for me from Ne to NJ.I would hate to see it go.They are not unlike any other corporation in today's USA tryin to provide a service an stay afloat.
I think it was a nobel idea for OTW an Harpoon to revisit one of the great old tourney's of the past.I think they where genuine tryin to revive some of the great history behind the trophy.Do i think this tourney needs some tweeking To bring it up to modern times absolutely.It is a different world in striped bass fishing.Our club tourneys in NJ work off a similar format.Participaction is a joke.As some clubs don't even weigh in fish.Last yr I only weighed in a few myself.Some things people hold on to because of the history.Change doesn't always come so easy.Cursing an flaming gets nothing done.Instead of a bashing thread How bout some Real Idea's on how this can be done.Now remember u have to be able to invite back quite a few folks to the brewery for a party.It has to viable for both Harpoon OTW an Their sponsors.So how can they accomplish this.If u think about it it can be difficult.But a dogpile on the rabbit gets nothing done.Perhaps making it a big fish tourney is the only real way to limit great overall kills.Like fish over 30 lbs.It will get u enough in to fill a banquet hall an not absolutley pound the fisherey with 15 lb weighed in fish.The Fisherman Mag runs a very similar format for many species I never see anyone complain about that.The contest is already opened up. So it's gonna be tough to change it while it's under way.
That'll be the real challenge one the lawyers might not wanna touch.

[stiff tip]

NIB.... i could,nt say it better myself ...the other rag does the samething .in i have yet to see PETA at there front door ...some guys refuse to see a good intent ,and only see negativity..i dont think like that .. cause i,m 7 1/2yrs old ,,,and i,m a big boy.......dave...

[Skitterpop]

Originally Posted by stiff tip

.. cause i,m 7 1/2yrs old ,,,and i,m a big boy.......dave...

What the hell does this mean?

Did you find that album?

[Bedford Blues]

Fishing for Bass should not be made a competitive event.
the Stiper population is no where near the level of the 1950's
or 1960's and early 70's. i like OTW but this is a mistake.

[Saltheart]

I think we want to stay focused on the impact to the fishery. I don't want this thread turning into a "we hate OTW thread". I think its a fine Magazine that hasn't thought the format through well in terms of being conservation minded.

I would suggest that all the club stuff is fine and the individual stuff is all exciting and both should increase overall interest which is good. . Just figure out a way to keep score without needing people to kill so many fish.

I think something like a max entry of 5 fish per person over the whole tournament. You might even further say 1 per month for a total of five , that would rteduce the kill even further but might be squeezing the fun part too much

I'm sure there are lots of other ideas . Keep the posts about the potential fish kill and what to do about it , and give the magazine people a break.

[stiff tip]

Originally Posted by Indanite

What the hell does this mean?

Did you find that album?

its a dig ...it was late last night ,and i was tired, nothing personal..but it sounds like a lot of crying ,over a good intent, as for otw,s mag ,the intent of the derby was to have a good time bass fishing derby not a petty pi$$ing contest ...the opinions good or bad will make to the office for considration trust me ,,DAVE

[tattoobob]

I had a great talk with Chris Megan at the MSBA Expo and he told me that they are very concerned what there readers think, and want the best for the fisheries, access, and all together a possitive out look, I am sure after this talk we had (he listened to everything I had to say and seemed to care) they only want the best for all. the fishery is strong and I think if they raise the catch to 40" and over and one fish per week get rid of the points/clubs, make it individual contest it will be alot better. I wish we could figure out a catch and release like the Bassmasters tournament with livewells and all. So I believe that they don't want to lose fatefull readers and they always need new readers, it is just business

[stiff tip]

Originally Posted by tattoobob

I had a great talk with Chris Megan at the MSBA Expo and he told me that they are very concerned what there readers think, and want the best for the fisheries, access, and all together a possitive out look, I am sure after this talk we had (he listened to everything I had to say and seemed to care) they only want the best for all. the fishery is strong and I think if they raise the catch to 40" and over and one fish per week get rid of the points/clubs, make it individual contest it will be alot better. I wish we could figure out a catch and release like the Bassmasters tournament with livewells and all. So I believe that they don't want to lose fatefull readers and they always need new readers, it is just business

thanks bob its people like you that give this derby a chance .. chris megan is a good man """the office staff does NOT need a war over a good intentions and i well hand deliver all your imput to the head dogs for revue and consideration....OK .....i still like one fish a week .... dave

[tattoobob]

Originally Posted by tattoobob

I had a great talk with Chris Megan at the MSBA Expo and he told me that they are very concerned what there readers think, and want the best for the fisheries, access, and all together a possitive out look, I am sure after this talk we had (he listened to everything I had to say and seemed to care) they only want the best for all. the fishery is strong and I think if they raise the catch to 40" and over and one fish per week get rid of the points/clubs, make it individual contest it will be alot better. I wish we could figure out a catch and release like the Bassmasters tournament with livewells and all. So I believe that they don't want to lose fatefull readers and they always need new readers, it is just business

I said it on page 2 and I think his letter say's it all