Upsetting encounter with the charter boat KAYMAN TOO

[RI Popper]

Larry, I can't understand how you can try to keep it coming back to distance? I maintained atleast 150' at any time. And I didn't set up on his drift - I was on the side of their drift. I approached and was using my fish finder of which I have 2. There were boats that did the same to me atleast 4 or 5 times during the day. CAN'T YOU UNDERSTAND IT ISN'T an issue of protecting ground. It is one of complete rudeness/racism/verbal assault percipitated by a captain fostering this in his guests and barreling down on another boat. Have you ever fished the spawning grounds near "B" bouy? there are times there you can jump boat to boat because of them being so close together. Don't jump through hoops to justify your such bad behavior.

Armand

[tattoobob]

I have to agree with Canalman, ReelEcstasy, and Flatts
This is unexceptable, I don't care where you fish there
is always room for one more. I fish in the mouth of the
Merrimac River with my little boat and there are some
real Knuckleheads out there, I have seen it all including
stuff like this and fist fights. I have this to say there is
no need to insult someones herritage that is narrow minded
and just uneducated people. they need to grow up.

I believe they did the right thing by keeping there cool.
Always treat someone the way you want to be treated.

[Pete_G]

It definitely goes both ways on the water.

It comes down to this, as far as I'm concerned. Charter captains should show the same respect any boater would show to any other boater. Maybe more but nothing less. Respect for space, respect for spots, just basic respect. Unless your an idiot you know when you're crossing the line, charter boat or otherwise. Jump my spot or drift? Trouble. Respectfully join in a drift? No problems. Get too close without clearance, especially while I'm fishing? BIG trouble.

Personally, when I'm on the water I try to avoid captains with sports on board. I know they're working for a living. But at the same time I'm on a mission to catch fish. If you're in a drift where I think there's fish I may respectfully join in. More then likely I'll go find my own water as I just like to be alone. But if I do a captain has no right to say a word. I fish a few spots that very few others fish. Hidden, tough to fish spots. I learned them from others, and if I see those who taught me approach I move. Just a basic respect thing, nothing more.

As for sensitive spots where I fish in a boat that I want to protect, unless it's seriously foggy or after dark I don't go there. Or I move off long before someone gets near me. Also, Stellwagen Bank or the Race aren't exactly secrets. Can't be too surprised if there's some traffic there. With everyone having GPS these days it's easy to figure out where a given boat is working and go back in the future.

Keeping spots hidden is just part of the game as is respect on the water.

As for racial stuff pertaining to the original post, that's just unacceptable, no matter what the circumstance.

[Slipknot]

Regarding that internet synopsis crap about holding the site owner responsible for someone slandering or whatever, I am saddened by the WUSIFICATION of America if that is the case and people are not responsible for their own actions pass the buck I guess, not my fault WTF? people these days like to pass the blame.I say grow up and act like an adult. I can't believe the liberal judges that allow such crap.

samurai fisherm came here with the intent of warning others of an incedent that happened to turn others away from doing business with the charter guy. You didn't ask for an apology, as far as I can see from reading this and only getting your side of it, is that you both could have acted differently and maybe it would not have come to the bad behavior. For instance when they rode right up to you instead of yelling hey what's your problem, maybe a simple Oh, are we crowding you too close? I guess we can move. I know that the charter guy escalated it and a client was way out of line with the racial comments but like others have said, maybe just call the guy up and settle it like men. It would be nice if the guy with brass balls would apologize for his comments but I doubt that would happen. Maybe Armand could apologize first and see where it goes because what's done is done, it's not helping matters bashing the guy on the internet.
I knew this thread was gonna go south and sides would be taken.
Everyones opinion on what distance to keep away from others is going to vary so much that of course there is going to be differences of opinions on this matter too, but I think we can all agree that there was no need of racial comments or tossing fish or whatever. So if the Captain is responsible for his clients, then maybe he can step up and apologize. wishful thinking I'm sure

It's a shame this couldn't have been handled some other way but I can see how samurai is pissed off.
maybe we need a thunderdome out on stellawagon
2 men enter, one man leave

[Mike P]

John--the key words in that bill are "false and defamatory". Defamation, by definition, requires the communication, verbally or in writing, of false facts. Truth is an absolute defense in any defamation suit. And the person claiming he was defamed has the burden of disproving that the allegations were true.

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by Mike P

John--the key words in that bill are "false and defamatory". Defamation, by definition, requires the communication, verbally or in writing, of false facts. Truth is an absolute defense in any defamation suit. And the person claiming he was defamed has the burden of disproving that the allegations were true.

Yep. But S-B might decide it does not want to need to expend the needed resources to defend itself were that to come to pass.

You NJ folks that like the Internet, call your legislature and deep6 this moronic peice... Far more important things to address than this. I bet this is someone's pet peave and that someone got picked on a little too hard online and is seaking revenge of the legislative pen...

[JohnR]

As for the negative Charter experience portions of this thread, some items are ongoing offline that would be beneficial to not further fan the flames. So I will lock this thread for now pending future results.

PMs on the way to SF & Armand...