Here it comes........

[Backbeach Jake]

Originally Posted by Skip N

Wait till they did us harm huh? So you want to wait for more 9/11's before we act? Wow, thats some scary thinking Like i said...Pre 9/11 thinking so many on the left have. And its down right scary.

Again, we shoulda kept our focus in Afghanistan. We didn't get after 9/11. That failure only emboldened the Iraqi resistance in our present mess. I feel that "W" attacked Iraq as some weird family vendetta. His Dad,41, quit for a reason. I'm just saying that we shouldn't attack any country unless there is proof that they have done us harm, or are about to. Proof with actual facts. All these opinions here are valid BTW, these are confusing and dangerous times. Folks are only trying to sort it all out. Some look outwardly, some look inwardly. If we look inwardly and discover that we should bear some of the blame, then maybe we should be more careful in the future.

[Nebe]

Kill them with kindness.

[striperman36]

Any ethnic or religious group that has been oppressed does not have a good track record for maintaining peace after the yoke of oppression has been lifted.


Germany
Korea
Vietnam
Cambodia
Iran
Serbia
Iraq
Afghanistan

We could list back thru the centuries what the areas that have not been able to keep the peace. Why should we expect Iraq to be different.

Bill

[Backbeach Jake]

Originally Posted by Nebe

Kill them with kindness.

No, not what I had in mind at all.
1. Be prepared, militarily and intelligently and show it.
2. Treat other nations fairly.
3. If and when attacked, make an example of them so that even our allies cringe. But attack the offender and only the offender. No phantom WMDs. No they might. Just they did and now they're gone.

[Skip N]

Originally Posted by Backbeach Jake

No, not what I had in mind at all.
1. Be prepared, militarily and intelligently and show it.
2. Treat other nations fairly.
3. If and when attacked, make an example of them so that even our allies cringe. But attack the offender and only the offender. No phantom WMDs. No they might. Just they did and now they're gone.

You keep saying "when" we're attacked. Why do you want to sit back and wait to get wacked yet again? This is the fundamental differance between the left and the right. The left has your mentality that we should only attack when hit. While the right feels we should hit the enemy hard on thier turf to prevent our citizens from seeing more 9/11's or worse. You just havent learned anything after 9/11 have you?

[spence]

Skippy, nobody is saying we should sit back and wait. But there's a middle ground between that and a liberal application of pre-emptive violence.

You do realize that the reckless and arrogant fools you defend are putting in place a militaristic and political structure for perpetual war don't you?

It's transformation through violence, and in their minds it just might work...

The ironic thing is that many like Cheney, Wolfowitz etc... are serious students of history...yet the historic precident for their actions isn't just absent, it's nearly a reversal of their expected outcome!

-spence

[stripersnipr]

Originally Posted by spence

Skippy, nobody is saying we should sit back and wait. But there's a middle ground between that and a liberal application of pre-emptive violence.

You do realize that the reckless and arrogant fools you defend are putting in place a militaristic and political structure for perpetual war don't you?

It's transformation through violence, and in their minds it just might work...

The ironic thing is that many like Cheney, Wolfowitz etc... are serious students of history...yet the historic precident for their actions isn't just absent, it's nearly a reversal of their expected outcome!

-spence

The blueprint for perpetual war is laid out as a directive very clearly in the Koran (look for yourself). Failure to prepare for that perpetual war will only lead us to become victims.

[spence]

Yep, and the Bible says to stone all the gays to death

All the more reason to pragmatically measure our actions. We can't win a militarized war against radical Islam.

There are hundreds of millions of Muslims who don't subscribe to Jihad.

-spence

[Skip N]

Originally Posted by Nebe

Kill them with kindness.

Yes, Osama is really a softie deep down.

[kevin d]

Let them kill each other off and hope they do a great job of it.

[Raven]

but in my view....Iraq was like a felon let out of Jail on probation
and afterwards violated that probation so an arrest was neccessary.

The problem with this war....in essense was that the terrain makes things real difficult...mostly in Afganistan... those mountain ranges are
as dangerous as is Mt Everest.

But Iraq is a flat desert primarilly and in starting the war there, we now have a huge military base thats completely outsourced btw right smack in the middle of it....which gives us complete control over Syria Iran and any other trouble spot ....by having the materials close by.