Here it comes........

[spence]

I don't think the "former liberal" description is that accurate, though I've seen it thrown around.

For sure some of the "early" neoconservative thinkers were former socialists, but the current crop were more intellectual conservatives that rejected the liberalisim of the Vietnam war.

Funny thing is that so many Goldwater and Reagan conservatives (including perhaps Bush 43) are just now realizing that they've been duped into aligning themselves with the neoconservatives simply because they saw liberal democrats as the only other alternative.

There is a tremendous number of disenfranchised moderates out there looking for leadership.

-spence

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by spence

There is a tremendous number of disenfranchised moderates out there looking for leadership.

Yup.... But if I could rephrase your phrase to "There is a tremendous number of disenfranchised Americans out there looking for new Leadership for the future of America."

[spence]

On that I would agree

-spence

[Backbeach Jake]

That's pretty much it in the nutshell, Boss. Sometimes, it seems no one is at the wheel. Other times, those who are seem intoxicated. I have a real hard time feeling optimistic about this Country's future.

[Pete_G]

Originally Posted by Backbeach Jake

That's pretty much it in the nutshell, Boss. Sometimes, it seems no one is at the wheel. Other times, those who are seem intoxicated. I have a real hard time feeling optimistic about this Country's future.

The only reason I am optimistic is because of how many people fit into JohnR's description of a what is becoming a larger and larger number of people in this country. All we need is someone with the ability to truly lead and inspire the nation again, in a way that doesn't alienate so many people on both sides of the middle.

Someone needs to step up and run with a platform like this. Not an extreme liberal or conservative, just logical leadership with an eye towards the future growth, strength, and health of America as well as a better global perspective of how our actions worldwide effect us here at home both in the near future and long term.

[Nebe]

hey here is a noble idea. get our troups out of the middle east, support pallestine's quest to achieve the respect they deserve, stop f-ing with other countries squabbles, get off saudi oil, and guess what.

There will be little to no terrorism.

This isnt rocket science.

[Skitterpop]

Nebe for president!

Now what about Malaysia, North Korea, and China?

What the hell....Canada is starting to look pretty gloomy as well.

[stripersnipr]

Originally Posted by Nebe

hey here is a noble idea. get our troups out of the middle east, support pallestine's quest to achieve the respect they deserve, stop f-ing with other countries squabbles, get off saudi oil, and guess what.

There will be little to no terrorism.

This isnt rocket science.

If only it were that simple.

"In order that Allah may separate the pure from the impure, put all the impure ones [i.e. non-Muslims] one on top of another in a heap and cast them into hell. They will have been the ones to have lost." (Sura 8.37)

"Muster against them [i.e. non-Muslims] all the men and cavalry at your command, so that you may strike terror into the enemy of Allah and your enemy, and others besides them who are unknown to you but known to Allah." (Sura 8.60)

"Prophet, make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites, and deal harshly with them. Hell shall be their home: an evil fate." (Sura 9.73)

"When We resolve to raze a city, We first give warning to those of its people who live in comfort. If they persist in sin, judgement is irrevocably passed, and We destroy it utterly." (Sura 17.16-17)

"We have destroyed many a sinful nation and replaced them by other men. And when they felt Our Might they took to their heels and fled. They were told: 'Do not run away. Return to your comforts and to your dwellings. You shall be questioned all.' 'Woe betide us, we have done wrong' was their reply. And this they kept repeating until We mowed them down and put out their light." (Sura 21.11-15)

[Pete_G]

Originally Posted by JohnR

Yup.... But if I could rephrase your phrase to "There is a tremendous number of disenfranchised Americans out there looking for new Leadership for the future of America."