I told you they were a bunch of criminals

[Jimbo]

I'm starting to agree with Raven. Too many things don't make sense. At Cheney's age, and from the pictures, wearing ear protection, his reaction time is such that he hears a flushed bird (he couldn't have just sensed it by ESP or some other man-bird telepathy), and he's so quick he can turn, locate it and shoot it less than five feet off the ground?
I can't vouch for it being true, but I saw some guy who was supposed to be hunt coordinator or organizer and he said the first rule they make sure hunters know is not to shoot level or below, this ensures the safety of the dogs, too, and not to fire unless they can identify it as a bird. Leno's sarcastic, but usually his comments are based on on some fact and he came out with an outrageous story about how the police did show up to see what was going on and were asked to come back later, and they left.

[MakoMike]

New Texas bumper sticker:

I'd rather hunt with Cheney

Than drive with Kennedy

[Skip N]

Originally Posted by MakoMike

New Texas bumper sticker:

I'd rather hunt with Cheney

Than drive with Kennedy

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by Skip N

Ohhh, but NOW it's funny (OK, sheet, that was actually pretty funny)...

Skip - Kenedy gets a pass by some (and a lot of Mass voters for some reason, enough to keep him in though often unopposed).

Funny, I can't think of many people that I know who voted for Kenedy, DEM or not, but I'm wondering how many are in the older crowd. Like many of my BIRC aquaintances that loved the Kennedy "Dynasty"

I heard once from a MV legend that there is a real good bass hole within yards of where the Lincoln went off the road...

[Raven]

of a time that myself and a bunch of guys
were skeet shooting in a sand pit out in
Rochester mass ....getting in
some pre duck hunting season...practice.

well everyone was trying to outshoot each other!
there was a sudden friendly competition ok...
as to "who" could shoot the clay pigeon "first"
out of the trap.... and it got closer and closer
to the skeet trap....like 5 feet...til we were ...YELLIN...
...PULL -> BLAM!

well , we decided to put doubles in the skeet trap to
make it a bit more unpredictable...and was it ever.
I was almost shot in the process...when the two clay
pigeons rolled off each other and one came directly
at me...

and all i saw was, all of their gun barrels swinging
in my direction so i tossed my 12 guage and dived into a
sand pit hole....because it was just seconds after the trap
sprung....that the guns would fire.

now listening to cheneys story it makes even less sense
because he's saying harry was standing in a gully so that he
wasnt fully visable....so that means hes shooting lower than
horizontal...also he stated that he was alone with just one
other hunter ...so how did that lady witness everything....

sounds so hokey...

[TheSpecialist]

Depending on the choke used it is quite conceivable that the shot was at 30 yards. The folowing picture is a 12 Gauge Gun - 28 ga insert
30 yds - 3/4 oz. #9 Shot - LM Choke
1225 fps - 69% pellet count 30 in. circle
What that is essentially is a 12 gauge shotgun with barrels inserted to make it into a 28 gauge shotgun, using a Light Modified choke 69% of the pellets hit within the 30" circle at 30 yards at a muzzle velocity as high as or higher than most handgun rounds, including 9mm, .40 S&W, and .45. This is muzzle velocity, not energy, there is not enough information to get an accurate energy. I would say that the pellets were coming straight on , not arced in like you would usually see. Therefore they would have more energy.

All you armchair quaterbacks decide for yourself, but if unless you have never had an "Accident" with any thing, powertool, car, bike, kitchen knife etc. you probably should'nt judge. An accident is an accident no matter how you slice it.