America spying on terrorists without court approval

[spence]

Skip,

To give up personal freedom in response to terrorisim is akin to giving in to terrorisim. It's exactly what they want.

-spence

[Skip N]

Originally Posted by spence

Skip,

To give up personal freedom in response to terrorisim is akin to giving in to terrorisim. It's exactly what they want.

-spence

What personal freedom are we giving up in this whole spying thing!? They are spying on suspected terroists not you and me for god sake!? Are you concerned about the terroists personal freedom? I dont see how this is so damn hard understand. It does not affect you and me Spence it only affects suspected terroists. Unless you have plans to do some suicide bombings or are fiancing terroists none of this affects you or I.

[spence]

Originally Posted by Skip N

What personal freedom are we giving up in this whole spying thing!? They are spying on suspected terroists not you and me for god sake!?

Skip, why do you think a warrant is required before the police can enter your house?

-spence

[Skip N]

Originally Posted by spence

Skip, why do you think a warrant is required before the police can enter your house?

-spence

Did you see the presidents news conferance today? I think he does a fine job in expaining the whole ordeal. I think the majority of americans will be on his side when they realize whats going on and why its being done, and who its targeting.. Then again you guys think Bush lies about everything so you wont believe it anyway Kinda funny to that the intel comittee knew all about this spying ordeal...maybe even some liberals knew about this.

[Redsoxticket]

The president appears to be breaking the law to achieve the same results if he had gone to the special courts which will rubber stamp its approval even after or within the 72 hour spying period.
There always seems to be a conflict with this president.

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by Skip N

What personal freedom are we giving up in this whole spying thing!? They are spying on suspected terroists not you and me for god sake!?

Please Define "Suspected Terrorists"

What makes one fall into this category.

[Skip N]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

Please Define "Suspected Terrorists"

What makes one fall into this category.

If you dont know that by now you really havent learned anything since 9/11 have you. Lets see here...someone who is known to communicate, fund or support terroist activty might raise a red flag or two to most normal people. Dont ya think?

Like the typical libreal you are its so obvious what you were hoping i would say....Everyone who looks middle eastern is what you wanted me to say right? so you could go ahead and call me a racist right? You people are so predictable its commical. and very out of touch with the reallity of the war on terror and how serious it is. I thank God everyday we have someone in office who understands the reallity of our enemy and how savage they are. we would seriously be %$%$%$%$ed if someone like you, who has no clue who the enemy is was in power.

[Skip N]

"and the War in Iraq IS Directly linked to the War on Terrorism......in W's own words."

nah there are no terroists in Iraq nor have there ever been

[RIROCKHOUND]

Skip;
What defines a terrorist or suspected terrorist?
Where is the line drawn. If I send an anti-Bush email to a buddy am I suddenly flagged and now they can read my library record? Where is the line drawn?
You really think Bush knows an F'ing thing about how savage and the 'reality' of our enemy? Bush knows what his people tell him to know.
So tell me who the Enemy is, if 'someone like TDF or Spence of me' doesn't know???
Maybe because you just typed Iraq and terrorist in the same sentance you're now pegged as a suspected terrorist how does that make you feel?
And typical conservative, can't admit something the Bush administration did wrong......

[CTSurf]

RI,
I am a conservative and will admit what and when Bush does something wrong, i.e., the borders, spending to name a few.

I think it is more accurate to say that Liberals/Democrats will not admit when he does something right. It is also accurate to say that they Liberals/Democrats will not admit when there party does anything wrong.
We all know that there is not much that they have done right!

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by Skip N

If you dont know that by now you really havent learned anything since 9/11 have you. Lets see here...someone who is known to communicate, fund or support terroist activty might raise a red flag or two to most normal people. Dont ya think?

Like the typical libreal you are its so obvious what you were hoping i would say....Everyone who looks middle eastern is what you wanted me to say right? so you could go ahead and call me a racist right? You people are so predictable its commical. and very out of touch with the reallity of the war on terror and how serious it is. I thank God everyday we have someone in office who understands the reallity of our enemy and how savage they are. we would seriously be %$%$%$%$ed if someone like you, who has no clue who the enemy is was in power.

The point I was TRYING to make was that you can't tell. I wasn't trying to label you a racist, I was trying to point out the fact that you just can't tell. So how does the government make the determination that they need to snoop on you. Where do they make the determination someone is a threat...thats what scares me about this situation. can they just go looking and say "Well I thought he might be a terrorist"

And Why is it that everytime someone disagrees w/ you they are labeled a Liberal. I am not a liberal. That seems to be your fallback argument for everything

I believe that people should work hard for everything they get and should not expect handouts. I also believe that if a person truly needs help we should give it to them.....not because of my politics but because its the right thing to do as a human being.

One more thing, in all the threads we've posted in, I have never attacked your character and I would appreciate the same respect and consideration. I don't paricularly care for your politics but I would not use terms like "people like you" or "we would seriously be %$%$%$%$ed if someone like you" in any of my posts.

[CTSurf]

I would be very curious to have anyone name one US citizen that lost any of their civil liberties as a result of the patriot act. Non US citizens do not have civil liberties from the US constitution.

The ability to defend our country by whatever means necessary is what we have lost