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11-16-2005, 08:08 PM
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Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman
The actual bottom line that war is started for is....Stuff (Money, Land, Oil, Chickens)
It doesn't matter what They just want your stuff. They conquer you and take your stuff.
In the crusades they conquer you and make you believe in Christ....so That way the Church can take all your stuff.
The revolutionary war we wanted to keep our stuff and the british wanted their stuff back.
World War II Hitler wanted everybody's stuff.
The civil war the south didn't want to free their stuff (slaves were property so technically they're stuff)
The trojan war someone wanted to get themselves a piece of someone else's Stuff.
It all boils down to either trying to keep your stuff or having someone else trying to take your stuff.
Its just that sometimes religion is a convenient excuse....
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Religion was used as the "convenient excuse" in EVERY single instance above other than the American Civil War.It was fought over states' rights.Most southerners couldn't afford slaves never mind land.It became a religious issue after the Emancipation Proclamation was introduced.Most believed slavery was against gods' ideals.Simply put...enslaving your fellow man is just wrong it has nothing to do with religion its JUST WRONG.
War has never been about stuff.Its about imposing one's beliefs on another. |
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11-17-2005, 08:52 AM
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Originally Posted by basswipe
War has never been about stuff.Its about imposing one's beliefs on another.
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Got to disagree with you on that one...War is ALWAYS about stuff, whether it be Money, Land, or other economically valuable items. Which all pretty much equal money.
When Hitler marched into France it wasn't to exterminate the Jews or force his religious views....it was to take France over...period
In the civil war I'm sure it wasn't the poor southerners that were financing the soldiers weapons, food, and clothes. A lot of "donations" came in from the wealthy slave owners that were afraid of losing their 'Free Labor" and their wealth when it happened.
And Eben's right....never argue religion. The only way to PROVE your right is to "Walk into the Light". I'm not ready to prove anything yet  |
"If you're arguing with an idiot, make sure he isn't doing the same thing."
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11-20-2005, 11:34 AM
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Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman
Got to disagree with you on that one...War is ALWAYS about stuff, whether it be Money, Land, or other economically valuable items. Which all pretty much equal money.
When Hitler marched into France it wasn't to exterminate the Jews or force his religious views....it was to take France over...period
In the civil war I'm sure it wasn't the poor southerners that were financing the soldiers weapons, food, and clothes. A lot of "donations" came in from the wealthy slave owners that were afraid of losing their 'Free Labor" and their wealth when it happened.
And Eben's right....never argue religion. The only way to PROVE your right is to "Walk into the Light". I'm not ready to prove anything yet |
Not even gonna bother. |
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11-20-2005, 11:37 AM
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Anyways..............its all about the almighty Striper!
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11-20-2005, 02:59 PM
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Location: CT but only fish in RI
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faith is nice for me because it gives hope of something after death. if you can live everyday under the belief that you will slip into an abyss and are ok with that, more power to you.
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fishing is not a love, but an obsession
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11-20-2005, 04:18 PM
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Hmm, never saw this thread before. It would take me all night to compose a proper response though so I'm not going to bother. But it's seriously tempting...  |
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11-20-2005, 05:40 PM
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Originally Posted by basswipe
Not even gonna bother.
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Then Why did you even bother typing anything at all....  |
"If you're arguing with an idiot, make sure he isn't doing the same thing."
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11-21-2005, 07:44 PM
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Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman
Then Why did you even bother typing anything at all.... |
Just to get THAT response.
Its always about the last word with religious folks.
C'mon take the bait.......you know you want to. |
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11-21-2005, 08:38 PM
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Is it winter?
There are some lonely people on this site who just wanna get off talkin bout something they have not a clue about.
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11-21-2005, 09:31 PM
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Here is a big L....
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I'm going where I'm going... 
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11-22-2005, 08:34 AM
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Originally Posted by basswipe
Its always about the last word with religious folks.
C'mon take the bait.......you know you want to.
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 yeah....but I'm not one of the guys taking the religious point of view in this thread.
Besides, When me and the wife fight I ALWAYS get the last word......"Yes, Dear" |
"If you're arguing with an idiot, make sure he isn't doing the same thing."
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