Navy Seals...........

[tattoobob]

Originally Posted by JoeP

Give me a break. That is a funny story.

Of corse it is a funny story, I just don't believe in god or Bushes idea's.
And I said I was sorry

[basswipe]

Both a Vet and and an atheist here.We are once again dying because "god"(allah) has told a bunch of whack-jobs its OK.

Religion(god) is responsible for all death and destruction on this planet.To deny that is simply foolish.

Remove the idea of god from peoples' minds and the world would truly be Peaceful for the first time.

[MoroneSaxatilis]

Originally Posted by basswipe

We are once again dying because "god"(allah) has told a bunch of whack-jobs its OK.

Ummm.. no. People are dying because a bunch of whack-jobs CLAIM that god has told them it's ok.

Originally Posted by basswipe

Religion(god) is responsible for all death and destruction on this planet.

Ummm.. no. PEOPLE who use religious and political agendas are resposible for death and destruction.
Religion is MAN MADE.
I am neither Christian, nor Jewish, nor Muslim, nor of any other man made relgion. I have no religion, but I DO have a God.

Relgion is for people who are afraid of going to hell. God and spirituality are for people who have already been there.

[Slingah]

Originally Posted by MoroneSaxatilis

Relgion is for people who are afraid of going to hell. God and spirituality are for people who have already been there.

one I have not heard......I like.....

[basswipe]

Originally Posted by MoroneSaxatilis

Ummm.. no. People are dying because a bunch of whack-jobs CLAIM that god has told them it's ok.

Ummm.. no. PEOPLE who use religious and political agendas are resposible for death and destruction.
Religion is MAN MADE.
I am neither Christian, nor Jewish, nor Muslim, nor of any other man made relgion. I have no religion, but I DO have a God.

Relgion is for people who are afraid of going to hell. God and spirituality are for people who have already been there.

To address your first misguided statement.They don't claim god has told them its OK they BELIEVE god has told them its OK.

For your second misguided statement.You can't have an agenda without believing in at least something say like a "man made" religion.The religion comes about as a belief in some sort of deity.

You say have you no religion but you DO have a god.To me that sounds like covering your A$$ "just in case".Sex before marriage,getting drunk,seeing a women naked...you know the things the "major" religions prohibit are OK with you because you dont have religion but you DO have a god,no worries you're covered cuz you have a god.I'll bet you've broken a christian/jewish commandment or one of the muslim laws without guilt because you don't "have" a religion,but you have a god so you're "covered".

Give me a freakin break.I didn't fall off the turnip truck yesterday.

BTW remember I'm an atheist so throwing in the hell comment kinda proves you do have a belief in christianity.Oops.

[MoroneSaxatilis]

Originally Posted by basswipe

You say have you no religion but you DO have a god.To me that sounds like covering your A$$ "just in case".Sex before marriage,getting drunk,seeing a women naked...you know the things the "major" religions prohibit are OK with you because you dont have religion but you DO have a god,no worries you're covered cuz you have a god.I'll bet you've broken a christian/jewish commandment or one of the muslim laws without guilt because you don't "have" a religion,but you have a god so you're "covered".
BTW remember I'm an atheist so throwing in the hell comment kinda proves you do have a belief in christianity.Oops.

Actually, I don't need to be covered for anything, because even though I DO have a god, I don't believe in an afterlife of any kind. I believe that when you're dead, it's over. I don't believe in "sin" or any other human concept associated with relgion. The god of MY understanding "covers" me NOW, while I'm alive and here. To me, god is simply some sort of force in the universe and has more to do with science than any man made, arbitrary religious rules. I call it god because it's a convienient word. It's amusing to me that you can be so narrow minded and that you think that everyone's beliefs simply MUST fit into some sort conventional pidgeonhole, and that it's impossible for individuals to come up with thier OWN ideas.
Even though I have a god, I also believe that any and all references to god should be removed from all govt instituions wether it be schools, currency, or what have you, unless they could find a way to show that said references don't refer to any particular god, and we all know differently. Everyone knows that the god referred to in these references is the Christian God, and I find that to be offensive.
As for my use of the word "hell", it was used metaphorically, as in; at times, "my life has been a living hell". Don't try to tell me that you've never said, "What the hell this, or what the hell that...".
Uhh ohh.. you said hell! You really AREN'T an atheist after all!

[MakoMike]

Originally Posted by basswipe

Religion(god) is responsible for all death and destruction on this planet.To deny that is simply foolish.

Remove the idea of god from peoples' minds and the world would truly be Peaceful for the first time.

If you really believe that you are the one being foolish. Stalin was an atheist and killed millions. The tutsis who carved up a million hutus didn't profess to be doin it in the name of any god. Neither the First or second world wars had any religious overtones, unless you count the fact that hitler killed thousands of people simply because they believed in "the one whose name cannot be spoken." But if you think that all "death and destruction" is religiously motivated you had better go back a re-read your history books.

[basswipe]

Originally Posted by MakoMike

If you really believe that you are the one being foolish. Stalin was an atheist and killed millions. The tutsis who carved up a million hutus didn't profess to be doin it in the name of any god. Neither the First or second world wars had any religious overtones, unless you count the fact that hitler killed thousands of people simply because they believed in "the one whose name cannot be spoken." But if you think that all "death and destruction" is religiously motivated you had better go back a re-read your history books.

You don't get it!!!

Your entire statemwent explains it!!!Stalin killed millions BECAUSE of religion ...it was a threat!!!

Spend a little more time with the hutus and tutsi thing.THAT'S defenitly a religious thing.Both tribes believe in different gods that's why they kill one another.

My favorite is your Hitler statement.How shall I begin on this one.First Hitler
believed the Germans to be "god's chosen".The jews were not therefore they
should be exterminated.

I'm an atheist you CAN'T defend your religious beliefs to ME.

My suggestion to you would be not to re-read the history books but to read about the ACTUAL history.

[Nebe]

The question is this- does god think that violence is the answer to all of lifes disputes?

[spence]

Originally Posted by basswipe

Your entire statemwent explains it!!!Stalin killed millions BECAUSE of religion ...it was a threat!!!

Only if you're talking tax exempt status for the church

Seriously Wipe, I think you may be a little O2 depleted from catching all those schoolies this fall. Stalin's carnage was political and had little to nothing to do with religion.

-spence

[basswipe]

Originally Posted by spence

Seriously Wipe, I think you may be a little O2 depleted from catching all those schoolies this fall. Stalin's carnage was political and had little to nothing to do with religion.

-spence

I would love for you to say that to my grandparents.Folks who are not of that generation and did not live there simply don't know.My grandparents suffered for one reason and one reason only and it had absolutely nothing to with Stalin's politics but more because of my grandparents religious beliefs.

[spence]

I'm assuming because they were Jewish?

-spence

[NaCl H2O]

Originally Posted by basswipe

Both a Vet and and an atheist here.We are once again dying because "god"(allah) has told a bunch of whack-jobs its OK.

Religion(god) is responsible for all death and destruction on this planet.To deny that is simply foolish.

Remove the idea of god from peoples' minds and the world would truly be Peaceful for the first time.

How can something that doesn't exist be responsible for anything? hmmmm?