Navy Seals...........

[tattoobob]

Sounds like another brain washed christian bush lover, Sorry guys

[Peter Lajoie]

Originally Posted by tattoobob

Sounds like another brain washed christian bush lover, Sorry guys

[JoeP]

Originally Posted by tattoobob

Sounds like another brain washed christian bush lover, Sorry guys

Give me a break. That is a funny story.

[justplugit]

ya can't box with God.

[tattoobob]

Originally Posted by JoeP

Give me a break. That is a funny story.

Of corse it is a funny story, I just don't believe in god or Bushes idea's.
And I said I was sorry

[FormerUser]

Both a Vet and and an atheist here.We are once again dying because "god"(allah) has told a bunch of whack-jobs its OK.

Religion(god) is responsible for all death and destruction on this planet.To deny that is simply foolish.

Remove the idea of god from peoples' minds and the world would truly be Peaceful for the first time.

[MoroneSaxatilis]

Originally Posted by basswipe

We are once again dying because "god"(allah) has told a bunch of whack-jobs its OK.

Ummm.. no. People are dying because a bunch of whack-jobs CLAIM that god has told them it's ok.

Originally Posted by basswipe

Religion(god) is responsible for all death and destruction on this planet.

Ummm.. no. PEOPLE who use religious and political agendas are resposible for death and destruction.
Religion is MAN MADE.
I am neither Christian, nor Jewish, nor Muslim, nor of any other man made relgion. I have no religion, but I DO have a God.

Relgion is for people who are afraid of going to hell. God and spirituality are for people who have already been there.

[Slingah]

Originally Posted by MoroneSaxatilis

Relgion is for people who are afraid of going to hell. God and spirituality are for people who have already been there.

one I have not heard......I like.....

[FormerUser]

Originally Posted by MoroneSaxatilis

Ummm.. no. People are dying because a bunch of whack-jobs CLAIM that god has told them it's ok.

Ummm.. no. PEOPLE who use religious and political agendas are resposible for death and destruction.
Religion is MAN MADE.
I am neither Christian, nor Jewish, nor Muslim, nor of any other man made relgion. I have no religion, but I DO have a God.

Relgion is for people who are afraid of going to hell. God and spirituality are for people who have already been there.

To address your first misguided statement.They don't claim god has told them its OK they BELIEVE god has told them its OK.

For your second misguided statement.You can't have an agenda without believing in at least something say like a "man made" religion.The religion comes about as a belief in some sort of deity.

You say have you no religion but you DO have a god.To me that sounds like covering your A$$ "just in case".Sex before marriage,getting drunk,seeing a women naked...you know the things the "major" religions prohibit are OK with you because you dont have religion but you DO have a god,no worries you're covered cuz you have a god.I'll bet you've broken a christian/jewish commandment or one of the muslim laws without guilt because you don't "have" a religion,but you have a god so you're "covered".

Give me a freakin break.I didn't fall off the turnip truck yesterday.

BTW remember I'm an atheist so throwing in the hell comment kinda proves you do have a belief in christianity.Oops.

[MoroneSaxatilis]

Originally Posted by basswipe

You say have you no religion but you DO have a god.To me that sounds like covering your A$$ "just in case".Sex before marriage,getting drunk,seeing a women naked...you know the things the "major" religions prohibit are OK with you because you dont have religion but you DO have a god,no worries you're covered cuz you have a god.I'll bet you've broken a christian/jewish commandment or one of the muslim laws without guilt because you don't "have" a religion,but you have a god so you're "covered".
BTW remember I'm an atheist so throwing in the hell comment kinda proves you do have a belief in christianity.Oops.

Actually, I don't need to be covered for anything, because even though I DO have a god, I don't believe in an afterlife of any kind. I believe that when you're dead, it's over. I don't believe in "sin" or any other human concept associated with relgion. The god of MY understanding "covers" me NOW, while I'm alive and here. To me, god is simply some sort of force in the universe and has more to do with science than any man made, arbitrary religious rules. I call it god because it's a convienient word. It's amusing to me that you can be so narrow minded and that you think that everyone's beliefs simply MUST fit into some sort conventional pidgeonhole, and that it's impossible for individuals to come up with thier OWN ideas.
Even though I have a god, I also believe that any and all references to god should be removed from all govt instituions wether it be schools, currency, or what have you, unless they could find a way to show that said references don't refer to any particular god, and we all know differently. Everyone knows that the god referred to in these references is the Christian God, and I find that to be offensive.
As for my use of the word "hell", it was used metaphorically, as in; at times, "my life has been a living hell". Don't try to tell me that you've never said, "What the hell this, or what the hell that...".
Uhh ohh.. you said hell! You really AREN'T an atheist after all!

[MakoMike]

Originally Posted by basswipe

Religion(god) is responsible for all death and destruction on this planet.To deny that is simply foolish.

Remove the idea of god from peoples' minds and the world would truly be Peaceful for the first time.

If you really believe that you are the one being foolish. Stalin was an atheist and killed millions. The tutsis who carved up a million hutus didn't profess to be doin it in the name of any god. Neither the First or second world wars had any religious overtones, unless you count the fact that hitler killed thousands of people simply because they believed in "the one whose name cannot be spoken." But if you think that all "death and destruction" is religiously motivated you had better go back a re-read your history books.

[FormerUser]

Originally Posted by MakoMike

If you really believe that you are the one being foolish. Stalin was an atheist and killed millions. The tutsis who carved up a million hutus didn't profess to be doin it in the name of any god. Neither the First or second world wars had any religious overtones, unless you count the fact that hitler killed thousands of people simply because they believed in "the one whose name cannot be spoken." But if you think that all "death and destruction" is religiously motivated you had better go back a re-read your history books.

You don't get it!!!

Your entire statemwent explains it!!!Stalin killed millions BECAUSE of religion ...it was a threat!!!

Spend a little more time with the hutus and tutsi thing.THAT'S defenitly a religious thing.Both tribes believe in different gods that's why they kill one another.

My favorite is your Hitler statement.How shall I begin on this one.First Hitler
believed the Germans to be "god's chosen".The jews were not therefore they
should be exterminated.

I'm an atheist you CAN'T defend your religious beliefs to ME.

My suggestion to you would be not to re-read the history books but to read about the ACTUAL history.

[Nebe]

The question is this- does god think that violence is the answer to all of lifes disputes?

[spence]

Originally Posted by basswipe

Your entire statemwent explains it!!!Stalin killed millions BECAUSE of religion ...it was a threat!!!

Only if you're talking tax exempt status for the church

Seriously Wipe, I think you may be a little O2 depleted from catching all those schoolies this fall. Stalin's carnage was political and had little to nothing to do with religion.

-spence

[NaCl H2O]

Originally Posted by basswipe

Both a Vet and and an atheist here.We are once again dying because "god"(allah) has told a bunch of whack-jobs its OK.

Religion(god) is responsible for all death and destruction on this planet.To deny that is simply foolish.

Remove the idea of god from peoples' minds and the world would truly be Peaceful for the first time.

How can something that doesn't exist be responsible for anything? hmmmm?

[Skip N]

Originally Posted by tattoobob

Sounds like another brain washed christian bush lover, Sorry guys

I hate how people like you make anyone who believes in God out to be a radical religious freak...Get lost. Are you the same guy who is trying to get "under God" outta the pledge and "in God we trust" off money? Will you be one of the people who wants Xmas banned too? Your the real freak. Dude, Take a freakin Joke for whats its worth. it was funny!!

[tattoobob]

Lighten up

[Skip N]

Originally Posted by tattoobob

Lighten up

When you make such stupid statments that are intended to get people pissed what kind of reaction do you expect? And how the hell did this get turned into a Bush thing!? You Bush and God haters just love to rip into either whenever you can.

[spence]

Originally Posted by Skip N

You Bush and God haters just love to rip into either whenever you can.

I can think of many times I've thanked God for bush

You really don't understand politics to you?

-spence

[MoroneSaxatilis]

Just for the record, I'm anti-bush.
I prefer a nicley trimmed landing strip at most.

[tattoobob]

Wow there is alot of assuming going on here and alot of you guys are putting words into my mouth. What you guys are assuming is just not true.

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by Skip N

You Bush and God haters just love to rip into either whenever you can.

What...You can't be one without being the other?

and by the way....Athiests don't "Hate" god...they just don't beleive in him.

[Skip N]

"and by the way....Athiests don't "Hate" god...they just don't beleive in him"

Truthfully i really dont care what they believe. Thats thier belief and i should respect that. But what ticks me off is how so many of them try to tear down any mention of God in the US. Remove the mention of God from Buldings, Money, The Pledge and no Xmas. That is extreme in my opinion and is not what this country was founded on. They just flip out and call any church goer and Extremist and a nut. If your an Athiest thst fine and thats your belief...Just dont try and tear down this countrys tradition and history with God becuase you dont like it.

[spence]

Skip, the number of people who really feel it's important to remove all references to God in our government is limited to a very small handfull of the population.

You're watching too much FOX News

-spence

[FormerUser]

Originally Posted by Skip N

"and by the way....Athiests don't "Hate" god...they just don't beleive in him"

Truthfully i really dont care what they believe. Thats thier belief and i should respect that. But what ticks me off is how so many of them try to tear down any mention of God in the US. Remove the mention of God from Buldings, Money, The Pledge and no Xmas. That is extreme in my opinion and is not what this country was founded on. They just flip out and call any church goer and Extremist and a nut. If your an Athiest thst fine and thats your belief...Just dont try and tear down this countrys tradition and history with God becuase you dont like it.

"The atheists".

I can taste the venom in your words already.You give atheists way to much credit.You don't even understand us.You spell it with a capital "A" because you can't help but help but look at atheism but as a "religion".You simply don't get it.

My belief is this:I'm born...I live...I die.The end.Interfere with the part between "born" and "die" I'll let you know.GET IT.

[Swimmer]

What about the crusades? Are you saying no one died in the named of someone else Gods wrath during those skirmishes? I wonder what would have happened in europe if Hitler wasn't killing every Jewish person he coud get his hands on. Maybe we would have let the war in Europe run its course and we could have just fought the heathens from across the Pacific. Would we have become involved at all?

Of course being a Jew is not just a religon its also a culture, heritage and since 1967 sinai war being a jew is someone who comes from Israel.

Many if not most of the people Stalin the athiest killed he did so because they did believe in a god and did belong to a religon, and were diametrically opposed to his beliefs, which would make thier deaths associated just a bit to religon.

[spence]

Originally Posted by Swimmer

Many if not most of the people Stalin the athiest killed he did so because they did believe in a god and did belong to a religon, and were diametrically opposed to his beliefs, which would make thier deaths associated just a bit to religon.

I think this notion is legally, morally, ethically, spiritually, physically, positively, absolutely undeniably and reliably not true!

Sorry, the OZ was on last night

But seriously, Stalin was an athiest...but I don't believe history shows this was a driving force behind his bad behavior.

-spence

[MoroneSaxatilis]

Originally Posted by Swimmer

What about the crusades?.

Actually, the main goal of the crusades was to take back territory, and plunder riches. When the Crusaders got to a given city and attacked it, they killed everybody, including fellow Christians because those particular Christians had a stake in the land, gold, and other riches that the Crusaders were after.

Originally Posted by Swimmer

Many if not most of the people Stalin the athiest killed he did so because they did believe in a god and did belong to a religon, and were diametrically opposed to his beliefs, which would make thier deaths associated just a bit to religon.

So this means that they were killed in the name of NOT having a god, which would make this particular atheist just as guilty as people who supposedly kill in the name of some god. Does this mean that all atheists are bad?
And from what I understand, Stalin killed all those people because he viewed them as political subversives who wanted to turn Russia facist or capatalist and challenge his power.

[Swimmer]

Godless, classless society............Stalin.

[Swimmer]

To whomever...
No I don't think athieist are any better or worse than me. I treat everybody the same. Couldn't give a rats arse whether you go to church or not. As far as the rest of my post about the crusades and Stalin I'll stand by what I said, but thier is much more to what I have to say in regard to whether an established religon or lack of plays any part in people dying in war or did religon start a war.
While greed, egomaniacal behavior and many assorted personality disorders have started many more conflagrations than any religon I firmly believe that as a means to an end religon was used and is currently used to enflame the unintelligent and downtrodden members or certain societies to keep them fighting and in the fold. Certainly in Iraq with al-zaquari (?) and with bin ladin wherever he is religon is only a means to an end. It is the best network of non-personel communication these tyrants have. None of these tyrants need to speak with any of thier undelrings other than an occasional message to them on Al-Jazeera or the local mosque to keep them fighting. However, I am sure that they do chat each other up. I am referring to the poor and mislead people that to them just belonging to the fringe of any terrorist group is the closest thing to a real family they have.
Go to church or don't go to church. Have a god or don't have a god. As long as you find peace everyday in what you do. Priceless......