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[Flaptail]

Do you people really think there is a spot on God's green earth in striperdom that hasn not been written about in the last 40 years? Most of you guys are rank amateurs, period. Grow up! Frtank daignault writes Striper Hot spots and people from this site are regurtlay seen on the SS.COM site still s#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&g up to him! And Like FishEYE said, Beavertail and one small fish. Mike P., slash tires? I thought you were above that %$%$%$%$, I respected you until that comment. JohnR. , "VERY DISAAPOINTING"? Soco SoHo, Boho who the %$%$%$%$ really cares and when that show airs for fifteen minutes on a Tuesday morning at 8:00am in February who will remember? Grow the %$%$%$%$ up, all of you. Most of you rookies can't keep your mouths shut anyway. "Charlie Soares gives up places like Sakonnet, Quickes etc.. First of all most of you couldn't hold Charlies bait bucket and secondly ever see a chart? Got half a %$%$%$%$ing brain? The Elizabeth Islands are top secret? I am ashamed of you guys, really, petty assed girls the whole %$%$%$%$ing lot.

[Swimmer]

Tattoobobs concern I believe as first mentioned was being tailgated by someone who after passing him at 80 plus m.p.h. was weaving, not driving staight. I think he felt his safety was in jeopardy. After the next post this thread was mugged big time. Used to be if your vehicle had commercial markings you drove in a sane manner. When its so easy to be i.d. (your name plastered in big letters on side of truck) one would think one would drive better. I think his mention of R.I. being invaded by OTW staff had to do more with the way whoever was driving was operating the truck.

Whatever happened to this thread after that is anyones guess.

[The Iceman 6]

Good recap Swimmer...

[eelman]

Originally Posted by Flaptail

Do you people really think there is a spot on God's green earth in striperdom that hasn not been written about in the last 40 years? Most of you guys are rank amateurs, period. Grow up! Frtank daignault writes Striper Hot spots and people from this site are regurtlay seen on the SS.COM site still s#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&g up to him! And Like FishEYE said, Beavertail and one small fish. Mike P., slash tires? I thought you were above that %$%$%$%$, I respected you until that comment. JohnR. , "VERY DISAAPOINTING"? Soco SoHo, Boho who the %$%$%$%$ really cares and when that show airs for fifteen minutes on a Tuesday morning at 8:00am in February who will remember? Grow the %$%$%$%$ up, all of you. Most of you rookies can't keep your mouths shut anyway. "Charlie Soares gives up places like Sakonnet, Quickes etc.. First of all most of you couldn't hold Charlies bait bucket and secondly ever see a chart? Got half a %$%$%$%$ing brain? The Elizabeth Islands are top secret? I am ashamed of you guys, really, petty assed girls the whole %$%$%$%$ing lot.

Flaptail, as I read your post It helps to really see the light, your post above is one of the best I have seen and really says it all. I agree 100% with everything you say and really dont have much more to add exept to echo everything you said.

[JFigliuolo]

Originally Posted by Flaptail

Do you people really think there is a spot on God's green earth in striperdom that hasn not been written about in the last 40 years? Most of you guys are rank amateurs, period. Grow up! Frtank daignault writes Striper Hot spots and people from this site are regurtlay seen on the SS.COM site still s#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&g up to him! And Like FishEYE said, Beavertail and one small fish. Mike P., slash tires? I thought you were above that %$%$%$%$, I respected you until that comment. JohnR. , "VERY DISAAPOINTING"? Soco SoHo, Boho who the %$%$%$%$ really cares and when that show airs for fifteen minutes on a Tuesday morning at 8:00am in February who will remember? Grow the %$%$%$%$ up, all of you. Most of you rookies can't keep your mouths shut anyway. "Charlie Soares gives up places like Sakonnet, Quickes etc.. First of all most of you couldn't hold Charlies bait bucket and secondly ever see a chart? Got half a %$%$%$%$ing brain? The Elizabeth Islands are top secret? I am ashamed of you guys, really, petty assed girls the whole %$%$%$%$ing lot.

Simmer down flap. Yeah, I admit I couldn't hold Stevies eel sack. That being said. There is a difference between a spot being written about a few year ago and one being burned today... IN THE SHORT TERM due to immediate increased pressure. I can attest to this since I regularly fish one of Steve's top 5.
This CAN lead to long term damage due to POSSIBLE loss of access. No one like to see their spots talked about due to these issues. I don't think that is very difficult to understand. This behavior is NOT limited to use fisherman. Hunters are the same as are some surfers "Surf your own beach". I'm sure other groups can be included as well.

Should the guy get threats? absolutely not. But NO ONE can judge whether or not individuals lose respect for someone due to something that person does. It's an individuals call.

[fishweewee]

Originally Posted by Flaptail

Do you people really think there is a spot on God's green earth in striperdom that hasn not been written about in the last 40 years? Most of you guys are rank amateurs, period. Grow up! Frtank daignault writes Striper Hot spots and people from this site are regurtlay seen on the SS.COM site still s#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&g up to him! And Like FishEYE said, Beavertail and one small fish. Mike P., slash tires? I thought you were above that %$%$%$%$, I respected you until that comment. JohnR. , "VERY DISAAPOINTING"? Soco SoHo, Boho who the %$%$%$%$ really cares and when that show airs for fifteen minutes on a Tuesday morning at 8:00am in February who will remember? Grow the %$%$%$%$ up, all of you. Most of you rookies can't keep your mouths shut anyway. "Charlie Soares gives up places like Sakonnet, Quickes etc.. First of all most of you couldn't hold Charlies bait bucket and secondly ever see a chart? Got half a %$%$%$%$ing brain? The Elizabeth Islands are top secret? I am ashamed of you guys, really, petty assed girls the whole %$%$%$%$ing lot.

It's all George Bush's fault I'm sure.

[JHABS]

Hi Bill , I think Mike P was stating what could happen, Thats not his Style.It happened to me sleeping in my truck a few years back someone keyed it................. You know this SPOT THING IS SAD, Just let it go, It's not even Winter YET

[DaveS]

Habs, where they bitin'?

[JHABS]

Have to take the 5th on that question, Just kidding. Best to call.

[DaveS]

There's only 2 places I fish in the whole state.

[JohnR]

Flap - it is a shame that things like "spots" have come to this. It is a shame when you can't say online that you got a good fish last night or put up a picture because you will be inundated with PMs, Emails, Phone Calls about where you were. Or that people say you are full of BS, you were lying. All that. Yeh, it is frequent enough both online and offline. It truly is a shame that you can't give detailed locations on a spot without hordes of people running amok. Yeh - you are right, there ARE NO SECRET SPOTS. Nobody says there are, really. ABout every place HAS been fished before, some more so than others, often due to access issues or simply how willing one is going to go to fish a place.

It is also a SHAME that entities have to PROMOTE locations in order to SELL stuff. It does not spread the "wealth" so to speak of fishing pressure evenly across spots that can handle it better. Access and the Fish - are not those the TWO MOST IMPORTANT ITEMS to us as surfcasters? We spend so much time, often innefficiently, working the fish issue, yet we as a group are so harsh on access. You think the ratio of anglers to those that go to fisheries meetings is tough, imagine the ratio that goes to ACCESS issues. Yeh, I go when I can. Not often enough or as much as I'd like but I go. You do too. You know what is at stake here. And we are fortunate enough that you know the balance between writing about access and speaking generally.

Flap, as for losing respect for MikeP on his comment - do you REALLY think Mike is advocating slashing OTW's tires? Really? I know Mike a little and I think we can all agree that he is making notice of what potentially might happen by OTHERS. And I truly hope something like that would not happen, and truly hope nobody from here would do just that. Would I put money on that not happening? Uh, no... Some have more impulse than brains... Mike is in the brains camp.

I guess it pisses off a lot of people that I take this stand but as being someone that persues access issues when I can, I hate to see it face loss due to making money.

I also get that ill feeling in the pit of my stomach about this whole McKenna thing. Really torn. He really is a great guy, an awesome surfcaster, that in my opinion has made a large, unnintentional mistake. He has tried to do something good. And he is taking the heat unproportional to what he has done, certainly when compared to all of those that have done it before - including members here. But does an atmosphere that fosters that make it all OK? Becuase it is traditional to burn stuff in ALL of the different medias? I've done it here too and I'm pissed that I did. In fact, next revision of the site has NO reports section. Sure, a lot less people will sign up as members, but I think it is the responsible thing to do either way. Plenty of places online and in print to get SPOTS & Reports Anyway, I'm really sickened over this stuff. Steve is getting hammered, certainly more than deserved, and others are going to profit from it. Sucks.


#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^& - did you change your mind on what you said before you talked to me or after? Your earlier posts on this thread don't necessarily jive with your phone call...

I habe more to say on this but I need to get back to my real job.

Oh, Laptew - WTF do you think is wrong with dragging a camera crew and staff down a PRIVATE road to FILM ? Do people walk that private road to fish? Yep. Do you think the handful of wealthy people living in there are nice enough to look the other way when anglers respecfully walk down there? How long will that last with film crews walking down there? Do you think the handful of wealthy people in there would really react if a crew of 10 walked down with cameras and equip bags? Obviously, this is not the first time you have dragged cameras and crews down there to FILM fishing.

Is getting he right shot MORE important than access to a location? Ask yourself that. I trruly hope you advised against going into there with a film crew - though somehow I doubt it.

[Mike P]

Originally Posted by JHABS

Hi Bill , I think Mike P was stating what could happen, Thats not his Style.It happened to me sleeping in my truck a few years back someone keyed it................. You know this SPOT THING IS SAD, Just let it go, It's not even Winter YET

I'm glad someone still has his head on straight.

Jesus, you guys really think that after all I've stood for I was advocating a tire slashing? It was a comment on how out of control this whole OTW/spots thing has become.

Bill, the poeple who do things like that don't need me to suggest it to consider doing it. It happens at the Cape. I've had it happen to me for the greivous offense of parking with NY plates on my truck. I had a key mark all the way down the passenger side of my old red Cherokee.

[chris L]

Let's give this a rest

Please !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[t.orlando]

Originally Posted by chris L

Let's give this a rest

Please !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!