D. Ortiz MVP

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by kayaman

my bet is A-Rod....(don't get me wrong, I personally can't stand him) he has good #'s both offense and defense

He's not that great on Defense...since we're looking at #'s

He's middle of the pack on errors, assists, double plays, and put-outs an he is near the bottom of the list for his range.

A-fraud is ALL bat.....that is what will get him the MVP, if he gets it, not his glove.


Can you tell I'm not one of his biggest fans

[CAL]

Ortiz should get it. Since when does defense win somebody an MVP?
Did Bonds win all his MVP's for his fielding?

[afterhours]

how could he not be- man is carrying team.

[toddonbi]

MVPapi- 27/40 homeruns have either tied or won the game this year...pretty amazing that he has been responsible for that many wins. I know he doesn't play the field but it is phenominal what he's done.

[fishsmith]

He did it again tonight. My vote goes to Ortiz not that CHEAT arod.

[ProfessorM]

One more time. The guy is unbeliveable. I heard something today to add to the controversy of MVP. Eck got the Cy Young I think as reliever and he had maybe 60 total innings compared to a starter who pitch's many more so who's to say a DH can't win MVP. I will be stunned if he does but he is more valuable to Sox than Ahole is to Yank's. Paul

[Arno]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

A-fraud is ALL bat.....that is what will get him the MVP, if he gets it, not his glove.

"All bat"? Respectfully disagree. He's as good a glove-man as anyone. In fact he's fast, he can hit, field, run the bases, and he's smart. Like him or hate him, 'doesn't matter a lick. The fact remains that he's a total ballplayer.

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by Arno

"All bat"? Respectfully disagree. He's as good a glove-man as anyone. In fact he's fast, he can hit, field, run the bases, and he's smart. Like him or hate him, 'doesn't matter a lick. The fact remains that he's a total ballplayer.

If he's so fast why does he only have 18 Stolen bases????He doesn't even lead his TEAM in this category. I already admitted he could hit, that's what will get it for him, if he gets it. and based on THIS years stats he is an averge Fielder (it doesn't matter what he's done in the past). Pretty much middle of the road on most defensive categories and bottom 3rd in his range rating.

[BigFish]

When he has been on 1st...I don't recall him letting us down with any errors?

[Mike P]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

If he's so fast why does he only have 18 Stolen bases????He doesn't even lead his TEAM in this category.

Because for most of the year, he batted third in the order, with guys like Sheffield and Giambi hitting behind him. You don't go running a guy, or play hit and run, and risk running yourself out of a potential big inning and/or taking the bat out of your sluggers' hands. Not a lot of teams have their #3 hitter stealing with their clean-up hitter at the plate and less than 2 outs

Let's say Ortiz had speed---would you run him with Manny at the plate?

[The Dad Fisherman]

DOHHH! Can't argue that one....


But I still stand behind the fact that if he wins the MVP its because of his bat...not his defense.

[Arno]

But I still stand behind the fact that if he wins the MVP its because of his bat...not his defense.

Of COURSE if he gets MVP his hitting will be the primary reason. No one's saying otherwise. What I'm saying is that in addition to his hitting, he is a total ballplayer. The guy just does everything well. Can anyone honestly deny that?

I'll use another example (which is sure to rankle die-hard Red Sox fans). Without question, Manny Ramirez is a solid hitter. Pure and natural. When he's on, they don't come much better. Okay, let's say for the sake of discussion that he and A-Rod have IDENTICAL batting stats this year. Now who do you think would have a better shot at MVP? Manny or A-Rod? Keep in mind that I chose Manny because despite his assists, he is a below average outfielder. Most of the time, he doesn't have a clue how to run the bases. Often lacks hustle. And is often in a time warp. With that in mind, for MVP wouldn't you choose someone who does it all, rather than someone who matches hitting stats - but lags behind on everything else? Think about it. It's only common sense.

[Squid kids Dad]

Manny all the way... Only kidding.....

[The Dad Fisherman]

Under this same scenario, what if the Red Sox are in 1st Place and the Yankees are in 3rd. Then who would get it?

You also have to take into consideration how Valuable the stats were to the teams Success. I stated earlier that the Between Papi and A-Fraud, whoevers team makes the playoffs is probably going to be the deciding factor.

Originally Posted by Arno

Of COURSE if he gets MVP his hitting will be the primary reason. No one's saying otherwise. What I'm saying is that in addition to his hitting, he is a total ballplayer. The guy just does everything well. Can anyone honestly deny that?

I'll use another example (which is sure to rankle die-hard Red Sox fans). Without question, Manny Ramirez is a solid hitter. Pure and natural. When he's on, they don't come much better. Okay, let's say for the sake of discussion that he and A-Rod have IDENTICAL batting stats this year. Now who do you think would have a better shot at MVP? Manny or A-Rod? Keep in mind that I chose Manny because despite his assists, he is a below average outfielder. Most of the time, he doesn't have a clue how to run the bases. Often lacks hustle. And is often in a time warp. With that in mind, for MVP wouldn't you choose someone who does it all, rather than someone who matches hitting stats - but lags behind on everything else? Think about it. It's only common sense.