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spence · 08-31-2005, 09:23 AM

Actually, I believe the funding stated the source of Hydrodgen must be natural gas, not oil...

There may still be advantages to doing this...if the fossil fuel is broken down in a factory it would be easier to control greenhouse gas emissions...

Even options like ethanol have serious issues. Politicians in the midwest love it because it's good for the local economy...but it requires tremendous amounts of energy to produce.

In the end I've seen little that indicates which alternative sources really provide a significant "net" gain when all the complexities are accounted for.

-spence

bart · 08-31-2005, 10:11 AM

starting to wish i never got that new chevy back in feb.

Nebe · 08-31-2005, 10:19 AM

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starting to wish i never got that new chevy back in feb.

Again.. there were millions of small business owners who were duped into a huge tax repabate if they bought a vehicle over a certian tonnage... basically a gas guzzler. well, maybe they werent duped, but you could see who would be happy... the business owner, the car maker and the oil co's... now the car owner is paying through the arse to pay for all that gas and the oil company is making all the $$$$$$

5/0 · 08-31-2005, 08:12 PM

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starting to wish i never got that new chevy back in feb.

Yup me too! IM glad I got a new pig I love it but IM getting absolutly no love at the pump

IM going to pick my nights a lil more selectivly.

TheRattBoy · 08-31-2005, 08:15 PM

All those new Dodge trucks/cars with Hemi's... Yeah , it's got a Hemi

FormerUser · 08-31-2005, 08:23 PM

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All those new Dodge trucks/cars with Hemi's... Yeah , it's got a Hemi

All our company trucks are Dodges and a few Fords.Guzzlers one and all especially the Hemis.

JohnR · 08-31-2005, 08:25 PM

It doesn't update fast enough but: http://www.rhodeislandgasprices.com/

Filled 2 days ago @ 2.57, Topped off last night @ 265 but same place was 2.99 today, found 2.75, topped off after seeing 3.17 at Cumbys in W Warwick. pumps were vacant - as in nobody paying...

outfished · 08-31-2005, 08:54 PM

Well I did it, I just pulled out my old homemade go-cart made out of plywood I built as a kid in the 70's. It has a kind of crude rack and pinion type steering system but I think with a little oil it will work just fine to roll downhill 3 miles to my job in the morning and I'll' either pull the damn thing home, UPHILL, or just tie a rope to the hitch of a UPS truck and hijack a ride home. 0 gas miledge and I don't need to register or insure the contraption. And it runs cleeeeean

Pete_G · 08-31-2005, 09:18 PM

Looking back, and speaking of gas taxes, one really should have been implemented after 9/11. The public would have been receptive to the idea if it had been pitched in the name of combatting terrorism. Dump the money directly into a "Manhattan Project" with the focus on any and all technology that would advance efficiency and develop alternative fuels as fast as we possibly can. 25 cent per gallon gas tax to promote fuel efficiency and battle terrorism? People wouldn't have flinched. Maybe the reality of $3 a gallon will wake people up, but good luck trying to pass a gas tax now.

Sorry, but I gotta say it. This country needs real leadership. There's more to winning a war then bombs, and strangling the funding of people who want to kill us is a great way to do it.

Speaking of leadership, I suspect many people who were watching and had done their homework knew that the horrible stuff that is taking place in the Gulf right now was going to happen. Hindsight is 20/20, and obviously no one wanted to cry wolf, but I'm surprised the feds didn't get involved sooner, as in WAY before landfall. Your city is below sea level and there's a Cat 5 coming? Just look East at Florida and what happens when Cat 4 and 5's hit there. Hiroshima style destruction...

Very sad and scary.

Being in the surf some nights (tonight?) we get reminded of how close death can be and the power of nature. Right now, the whole nation is getting a VERY grim reminder as well.

Happy to be in the NorthEast and hoping for the best in the Gulf,

Pete

Skip N · 09-01-2005, 12:26 AM

Its the Ficking Towel head Saudis that are mostly to blame charging $70 a barrel for crude oil....Some expert in that field i heard on TV a few days ago said paying $70 for a barrel of oil is like paying $25 for a candy bar. Thats how bad the towel heads are F'ing us over.

Its convient and easy to blame W but to me the above is whats screwing us over. Oh wait Bush must be a memeber of the Saudi family and is in on it right? Show me some FACTS about how W is in on the oil price fix crap and i will listen. not just the wacko conspirecy junk...Give me FACTS how he is to blame and we'll talk and i'll listne. Im F'ing fed up with $3 a gallon gas trust me. If W is to blame and is in on some big conspericy i will rip him up (yes i did say that!) But you leftys stop drinking the cool aid and look at the saudis....THEY are the ones %$%$%$%$ing us over. And it drives me nuts!!!

Skip N · 09-01-2005, 12:32 AM

"Speaking of leadership, I suspect many people who were watching and had done their homework knew that the horrible stuff that is taking place in the Gulf right now was going to happen. Hindsight is 20/20, and obviously no one wanted to cry wolf, but I'm surprised the feds didn't get involved sooner, as in WAY before landfall. Your city is below sea level and there's a Cat 5 coming? Just look East at Florida and what happens when Cat 4 and 5's hit there. Hiroshima style destruction... Very sad and scary."

The folks were told to evacuate. And the experts did say NO would be under water if they got a direct hit. Some just couldnt get out or for whatever reason stayed. Did anyone see the comments by one of The Kennedys yesterday essenially blaming the hurricane on republicans and W. What a wacko that guy is.

Pete_G · 09-01-2005, 07:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Skip N

"Speaking of leadership, I suspect many people who were watching and had done their homework knew that the horrible stuff that is taking place in the Gulf right now was going to happen. Hindsight is 20/20, and obviously no one wanted to cry wolf, but I'm surprised the feds didn't get involved sooner, as in WAY before landfall. Your city is below sea level and there's a Cat 5 coming? Just look East at Florida and what happens when Cat 4 and 5's hit there. Hiroshima style destruction... Very sad and scary."

The folks were told to evacuate. And the experts did say NO would be under water if they got a direct hit. Some just couldnt get out or for whatever reason stayed. Did anyone see the comments by one of The Kennedys yesterday essenially blaming the hurricane on republicans and W. What a wacko that guy is.

I just don't think the people telling them to evacuate did it soon enough or specifically stated the consequences, and that's got nothing to do with being a Democrat or Republican. People knew they were in danger (although maybe not to the degree they were), but I don't think the gov't at any level pushed hard enough prior to landfall.

I know, easy to say in hindsight, but watching the TV in the 24 hours prior to landfall that was my impression.

JohnR · 09-01-2005, 07:42 AM

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The folks were told to evacuate. And the experts did say NO would be under water if they got a direct hit. Some just couldnt get out or for whatever reason stayed. Did anyone see the comments by one of The Kennedys yesterday essenially blaming the hurricane on republicans and W. What a wacko that guy is.

Some did not have the means to do it and should have been moved but how many figure they would judt ride it out and be fine? Not trying to make excuses for gvmt officials in NO but evacuating 1.1 of 1.4 milion people 250+ miles in two days with few proper egress route options is a positive accomplishment.

Nebe · 09-01-2005, 08:32 AM

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Give me FACTS how he is to blame and we'll talk and i'll listne. Im F'ing fed up with $3 a gallon gas trust me. If W is to blame and is in on some big conspericy i will rip him up (yes i did say that!) But you leftys stop drinking the cool aid and look at the saudis....THEY are the ones %$%$%$%$ing us over. And it drives me nuts!!!

i dont think we can blame him for the 3$ spike because this hurricane has dammaged oil rigs, refgineries, etc... thus limiting prduction. However, i will definately blame him and his chronies for causing a global crisis out of a useless unjust war based on lies and bad intellegence. That alone has raised the price of oil buy a buck.. Saudi's dont set the price, buyers bid on the price and any time something 'might happen' buyers will bid higher based on fears. The saudi's are making $ but its not by their doing.

Many people say the Iraq war was all about oil and that we were just going in there to take thier oil.. I disagree, we arent going to take thier oil, we just went in there to create a global conflict which forced oil prices up. OIl companies are making trillions of $ in profits every quarter... American oil companies.

no coolaid drinking here, just paying attention and not blindly following the shephard.

Mr. Sandman · 09-01-2005, 11:59 AM

I do feel bad for all those people, really I do but I just don't understand why a coastal city was built below sea level that relys on a system of levies and pumps to keep them dry. (and I live on an island). It is just stupid in my view to build below the ocean in a area frequented by storms and regular flooding that requires an active system to keep them dry and safe. Everyone down there was expecting "the big one" someday. IMO they should not rebuild the city. If your beach house washes away in the storm you don't get to re-build, why should they? It will happen again, and again. Who says we learn from history? My vote would be to take down all the levies and turn it into a large reef. Those folks could move elsewhere.

Frankly I am surprised it was not hit by a terrorist already, it looks like an easy target that could do massive damage.

I hope the best for the people who choose to live down there but it seems odd to be to rebuild that infastructure.

Iwannakeeper · 08-31-2005, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by spence

Actually, I believe the funding stated the source of Hydrodgen must be natural gas, not oil...

There may still be advantages to doing this...if the fossil fuel is broken down in a factory it would be easier to control greenhouse gas emissions...

Even options like ethanol have serious issues. Politicians in the midwest love it because it's good for the local economy...but it requires tremendous amounts of energy to produce.

In the end I've seen little that indicates which alternative sources really provide a significant "net" gain when all the complexities are accounted for.

-spence

hear-hear.

While we all have opinions on how easy it is to just make the change. And I think most of us agree it is already too late and the damage should have been halted long ago. We are behind the proverbial 8-ball now and as spence pointed out - this is a complex issue with no obvious winner. The problems we have cannot all be blamed on Bush - why were there no hydrogen cars during the Clinton Admin. He had 8 years to do something about it....but there are still very few alternative fuel or even hybrid vehicles on the road.

I agree that there is definitely a conflict of interest with all the politicians with there fingers in the oil community. In my opinion there has to be something that can be done. But again, I will refer back to spence - nothing is easy.

Instead of complaining, we could all simply change our lifestyles and stop or minimize our use of foreign oil. I forgot where I read it, but some of the smaller gas station chains do not use foreign oil. All of us with big V-8s that do not require them for our work or families could down size. We could fish much closer spots. We could commute or use public transportation.

But know - we keep our oil guzzling hogs because we like them. We drive 40 miles to fish that special spot when there is local access to water in our same towns. We don't carpool or use public transportation because it is hot, cold, smells, late, early, schedule doesn't allow or because it is just inconvienent.

Then we turn around and complain that politicians simply aren't fixing our problems. When it comes to the national security - I agree we need to get off foreign oil. But if it is simply cost - suck it up and change your lifestyle. Since when did we become a nation of people who don't take matters into our own hands.

Instead of finger pointing - make your own small changes to become less dependant on foreign oil. If everyone stopped complaining and voted with their $$$ things would change. If we all sold our V-8s and bought green vehicles (bio-desiel, hybrid, natural gas), the green vehicles and the cooresponding places to fill them would become more available, with better features, etc. As long as we are willing to stand at the pump and pay $3.00/gallon and not change our habits - we are fluking ourselves.

reelecstasy · 08-31-2005, 10:39 AM

I keep looking on ebay for a Flux Capacitor, but nuttin yet

spence · 08-31-2005, 11:05 AM

It certianly can't all be blamed on Bush, but what does suprise me is a failure to push the issue post 9/11. How about a "Carpool for America" campaign or something??? Hell anything!

Without a doubt, the Administration's deep ties to the oil and energy industries are biasing policy decisions that in a post 9/11 world should be much more objective. This "keep shopping" mantra is only going to lead to consumer driven ruin when the shyte really hits the fan and all we can do is reflect on how much we've consumed.

-spence