More sick SOB's

[Skip N]

Originally Posted by Eben

Skip maybe the government could build some big detention centers for all the artists who do work that speak out agianst the president???? Or perhaps they should be forced to wear a patch on their jackets that says they are an artist who questions authority. If that artist was arrested, thats where this country is headed.

Your missing my point. Of course people have the right to rip on the presiednt. I just thought the stamp was pretty friggen tastless and very borberline criminal. I meen it is illigel to to make a threat against the president right? You can rip on the president without putting a gun to his head and implying you want him shot right? Maybe i didnt make myself clear enough. I meen it is pretty scary seeing a gun to the presdents head is it not?? Or do you approve of this and think its tasteful? Should this artist get arrested if its ivestigated and proven he's no threat, of course not. But he should be investigated by the secret service as this is a threat against the pres. That was point. Not saying lock up people i dont agree with, thats insane. Only if it turns out to be a real threat.

[Skip N]

Man, i can't beleive i haven't dropped an F Bomb on Eben or Spence yet!

[stripersnipr]

If cutting and pasting a picture of a gun and the president is considered art by anyone.........I'm in the wrong business.

[RIJIMMY]

It would have been better if it was a sex toy and the pope was pointing it at GWB's head. Now that would have been art!

[Nebe]

Originally Posted by Skip N

Your missing my point. Of course people have the right to rip on the presiednt. I just thought the stamp was pretty friggen tastless and very borberline criminal. I meen it is illigel to to make a threat against the president right? You can rip on the president without putting a gun to his head and implying you want him shot right? Maybe i didnt make myself clear enough. I meen it is pretty scary seeing a gun to the presdents head is it not?? Or do you approve of this and think its tasteful? Should this artist get arrested if its ivestigated and proven he's no threat, of course not. But he should be investigated by the secret service as this is a threat against the pres. That was point. Not saying lock up people i dont agree with, thats insane. Only if it turns out to be a real threat.

here is your first statement.

Originally Posted by Skip N

All in the name of "art". Arrest the SOB who came up with this crap

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7480455/

now your back peddling. Agian, this artist has done exactly what he wanted to do to you.

[Skip N]

Agian, this artist has done exactly what he wanted to do to you. [/QUOTE]


No artist, just a grade A ass hole who wants the president shot apperantly. Thats the way i see it. The sheeeet that passes for art is incredible. If i was a real artist (painter, sculpture etc.) i'd be pissed that this crap is getting called art. any moron can come with that stuff. No artistic talent is required to make that crap. I'm gonna go take a pic of my dog taking a %$%$%$%$ and call it art.

[Nebe]

Originally Posted by Skip N

I'm gonna go take a pic of my dog taking a %$%$%$%$ and call it art.

well, what makes the difference is WHAT your dog would be crapping on. And plus, the poop movement is so passe'. the more avent guard artists these days work with dog vommit.
Who knows, you could get a nice grant from the National endowment for the Arts.

[likwid]

Giuliani said it best:

[Nebe]

oh boy

[likwid]

Originally Posted by Eben

oh boy

I'm sure the wonderful ex mayor bumper sticker will get some fabulous reactions.

Hey, he said it, not I.

[Skip N]

Originally Posted by Eben

well, what makes the difference is WHAT your dog would be crapping on. And plus, the poop movement is so passe'. the more avent guard artists these days work with dog vommit.
Who knows, you could get a nice grant from the National endowment for the Arts.

My dog did chew on a dead mouse last week she found out in the woods. Now that would certainly be some good art right!?

[likwid]

Originally Posted by Skip N

No artist, just a grade A ass hole who wants the president shot apperantly.

Really?
He wants him shot?

Where does it say that?
I see no text anywhere around that nor a statement saying "I want to see him shot."
You've decided that it means he wants him shot, you're the one having the thoughts of it, he just made what he considers to be "art". You may not think it is but I'm sure many others do. There are far more important things to be doing than worrying about what some dude created thats causing exactly the reaction from your side of the view that he wanted.

He made you think about the stamp.
He pissed you off.
He made it into mass media.
He wins.

[Skip N]

[QUOTE=likwid]Really?
He wants him shot?

Where does it say that?
I see no text anywhere around that nor a statement saying "I want to see him shot."



Hmmm, Then do tell me what this stamp meens. A pic of the president with a gun to his head. Seems pretty obvious to me what he's saying.

[likwid]

Originally Posted by Skip N

Hmmm, Then do tell me what this stamp meens. A pic of the president with a gun to his head. Seems pretty obvious to me what he's saying.

It means whatever you want it to MEAN. Whatever you feel it MEANS. I'm not sure why I'm having an argument with someone who can't spell mean.

Originally Posted by Tinman

It only takes ONE nut to take that "art" seriously for it to be a problem.

Being offended by art isn't a defense, don't you watch Law & Order? Seriously, there have been about 20-30 cases blaming art for someone's actions and in all cases they were either a: mentally insane or b: using art as an excuse.

[JohnR]

What is being overlooked here is that stamp would be invalid in that they are going to 39 cents each. So people, please get with the program here and and debate that

I personally don't consider that "art". If some art is supposed to strike emotion, the only emotion I have is that I hope the guy is in IT so I have one less person to seriously compete with.

I WILL say two things, first. As much as I think Bush and the NeoCon movement is an accident waiting to happen sometimes (maybe often, I'm one of those middle people In De Pendant), I feel that the instances where an American burns a Flag, Shows a pic of the President, removes a President's photo from a wall, or desecrates symbols of what Americans have died for should be penalized from something as small as community service to when something translates into a true threat, does serious time.

I also feel that the difference that seperates US from many other countries is that we at least pretend to further free speech. And everone seems to forget that there is a difference between "Free Speech" and being able to say whatever the hell you want... There was that joke about two Cold War Generals at a summit, the Amercian General says that in the USA, a citizen can stand in front of the White House with a bullhorn and call President Reagan an a$$ without fear of penalty. The Soviet General pipes up and says he is also fully allowed to stand in front of the Kremlin and call President Regan an a$$ too..

OK, I guess three things, I am saddened by the amount of people that take this country for granted. I personally did not serve in the military, in hind sight probably would have been smarter to do so, but TOOOOOO many of todays people, from the youth to even Boomers, take our Country for granted, Politicians too. It's really sad. I did have the fortune of growing up and spending some time overseas. I was able to go into East Germany when the Wall was still up. I was able to go to the museum just outside of Charlie and SEE what people would do to escape tyranny and oppression at risk of stepping on a mine or being shot in the back. I knew people that had done it once upon a time. THAT takes balls, real balls, and a real appreciation for what we have here and many others still do not... I was able to see what was left of concentration camps, to see where thousands of our own died to remove tyrants from power. And it sickens me, as an American, to see fellow Americans so damn polarized and so certain of what is right for the country when all we do is neglect our country, and our future with our youth.

OK, I realize that I'm rambling a little but I mean what I said... Our country spends so much time fighting right -v- left that we are losing our sense of unity, or long since lost it. We should spend less time fighting each other and spend more time fixing our country to face the challenges of the future. I see LITTLE of that being doen by either "PARTY"... We will have a weeks worth of discussion on "Why did this bastard do this" and "See, he did what he wanted so he's a genius" and this will all be one little microcosm of what every swinging richard from Congress to the White House will be doing on a large scale. And little will be done to STRENGTHEN our country from outside and within.... Pisses me off frankly...

[Skip N]

This would be an editorial time out

Guys - knock off the threats and nasties ... THis is what I hate about seeing on a supposed Fishing Board

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by likwid

It means whatever you want it to MEAN. Whatever you feel it MEANS. I'm not sure why I'm having an argument with someone who can't spell mean.

Spelling is not a major issue on a discussion board like this. IMO it's not worth the CPU cylcles to enable the spel chaecker....

[Diamond Tackle]

Originally Posted by likwid

Really?
He wants him shot?

Where does it say that?
I see no text anywhere around that nor a statement saying "I want to see him shot."
You've decided that it means he wants him shot, you're the one having the thoughts of it, he just made what he considers to be "art". You may not think it is but I'm sure many others do. There are far more important things to be doing than worrying about what some dude created thats causing exactly the reaction from your side of the view that he wanted.

He made you think about the stamp.
He pissed you off.
He made it into mass media.
He wins.

It only takes ONE nut to take that "art" seriously for it to be a problem. There are a lot of unstable people on the loose, especially in times of war. Its does not take much to set them off. Just look at John Lennons killer, the guy that shot Reagan. These guys hear voices as it is, do they also need a VISUAL ?
This is not art, I would be EQUALLY offended if it was Bill Clinton or any other president/ex pres with a gun pointed as his head. These people are/ were our leaders, they deserve more respect than that. Remember respect? And if you cant give them that respect, get the &*$%& out of our country & go to Paris. There are plenty of "artists" at the Place du Terte you can Cohort with.
Thats just my .02

[spence]

I wish the artist could read this thread, he'd be lovin' it

-spence

[Nebe]

some of you guys are saying that stamp is not art. just to fill you in, there are many forms of art, and what we have here is a classic exapmple of 'conceptual art' conceptual art does not have to be beautiful, its only purpose is to make you think.

the artist gets an A+ dont you think?