You’re all set, the GOP has the house

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

I'll ask you the same question I asked Pete (I should have known better). When the democrats were trying to pass that big spending bill early in Bidens tenure (build back better, or whatever), it took many iterations, because the moderates and the progressives simply couldn't agree.

How is this, so different from that?

Honestly, Jim, this isn’t an about democracy, even though that’s how the Republicans are trying to twist it. This is about a small group, trying to hold hostage your party leader who is the minority leader for the last two years?

This behavior has totally locked up the government. Nothing operates without a speaker sitting in the chair who is supposed to be second in command if something happens to the president

The progressives protest was over a bill and what was in the bill no one suggesting they should abolish all debate

Just
Listen to the excuses we don’t get the read the bills they’re too big we don’t have enough time we only have 72 hours that’s all the fabrication they have staff multiple staff members all working on revising and editing reading the bills just not one person in a room but that’s what they want the American people to believe .

And honestly what’s stopping the Democrats from using these rules against Republicans to Stonewall, or block legislation
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Honestly, Jim, this isn’t an about democracy, even though that’s how the Republicans are trying to twist it. This is about a small group, trying to hold hostage your party leader who is the minority leader for the last two years?

This behavior has totally locked up the government. Nothing operates without a speaker sitting in the chair who is supposed to be second in command if something happens to the president

The progressives protest was over a bill and what was in the bill no one suggesting they should abolish all debate

Just
Listen to the excuses we don’t get the read the bills they’re too big we don’t have enough time we only have 72 hours that’s all the fabrication they have staff multiple staff members all working on revising and editing reading the bills just not one person in a room but that’s what they want the American people to believe .

And honestly what’s stopping the Democrats from using these rules against Republicans to Stonewall, or block legislation
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"This is about a small group, trying to hold hostage your party"

And in 2021, a small group of progressive democrats in the house, prevented the moderate majority from passing a multi trillion dollar spending bill, because they held it hostage in an effort to get more of what they wanted. They held up major, major legislation, so that a small minority could make demands. That's exactly, precisely what happened.

The same exact thing is happening here.

Where is it written that the minority leader must become the speaker if the minority party gains majority?

"This behavior has totally locked up the government"

So once they start legislating as conservatives, that will make you happy.

"The progressives protest was over a bill and what was in the bill no one suggesting they should abolish all debate"

Who is suggesting that the GOP stops debate?

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

And honestly what’s stopping the Democrats from using these rules against Republicans to Stonewall, or block legislation
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Nothing is stopping them. And that's what they'll do.

Are you saying that democrats never stonewall or block bills they don't like? They never use the fillibuster, never reject judicial nominee's from a republican president? They never say "no" for political reasons?

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Nothing is stopping them. And that's what they'll do.

Are you saying that democrats never stonewall or block bills they don't like? They never use the fillibuster, never reject judicial nominee's from a republican president? They never say "no" for political reasons?

Jim you need to do some civics reading. If you don’t understand why what we’re seeing hasn’t happened in 100 years there’s a reason for that

Compared to pushing back against a Bill. Which is normal

The only thing both your examples have in common are There’s people that are against stuff. That’s it

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Jim you need to do some civics reading. If you don’t understand why what we’re seeing hasn’t happened in 100 years there’s a reason for that

Compared to pushing back against a Bill. Which is normal

The only thing both your examples have in common are There’s people that are against stuff. That’s it

in both cases, a small. umber if more extremists, are blocking what a large number of moderates want to do.

you keeep saying very vague things “this s
bad”. you never say why. maybe you don’t know why, you just want it to be bad because they are republicans.

they’re making progress, they’ll get there, but it does look silly and dysfunctional. if the conservatives wrangle him further to the right, good for them.

stupidest thing, they had 8 weeks to do this since the election. could have been done by now and a i used the stupid optics.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Honestly, Jim, this isn’t an about democracy, even though that’s how the Republicans are trying to twist it. This is about a small group, trying to hold hostage your party leader who is the minority leader for the last two years?

This behavior has totally locked up the government. Nothing operates without a speaker sitting in the chair who is supposed to be second in command if something happens to the president

The progressives protest was over a bill and what was in the bill no one suggesting they should abolish all debate

Just
Listen to the excuses we don’t get the read the bills they’re too big we don’t have enough time we only have 72 hours that’s all the fabrication they have staff multiple staff members all working on revising and editing reading the bills just not one person in a room but that’s what they want the American people to believe .

And honestly what’s stopping the Democrats from using these rules against Republicans to Stonewall, or block legislation
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Sincerely, what a great point about interrupting the line of succession, I haven't heard anyone else mention that! I wonder what happens? I guess if it came to it, they'd just skip over the speaker since there isn't one, and go to #4.

Great point though.