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12-14-2022, 10:37 AM
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But but Sharpton .. Jim why do you support a party who supports hate in all its forms but then they claim they don’t then do this
Texas attorney general’s office sought state data on transgender Texans
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your response to every single challenge, is to dismiss it as what about ism.
Wayne, has any conservative ever offered a legitimate challenge to any liberal, ever?
instead of stammering and stuttering like a moron (“but, but “ isnt a rebuttal) please tell us why it’s unethical for Trump to associate with a racist but not worth mentioning when Biden does it?
now you’re saying that seeking data on transgender folk is evidence of hate? liberals never, ever ask for data on transgenders?
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12-14-2022, 06:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT
your response to every single challenge, is to dismiss it as what about ism.
Wayne, has any conservative ever offered a legitimate challenge to any liberal, ever?
instead of stammering and stuttering like a moron (“but, but “ isnt a rebuttal) please tell us why it’s unethical for Trump to associate with a racist but not worth mentioning when Biden does it?
now you’re saying that seeking data on transgender folk is evidence of hate? liberals never, ever ask for data on transgenders?
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now you’re saying that seeking data on transgender folk is evidence of hate?
What do you call it Jim I can’t wait !
Your the reason the GOP is allowed to hate . You support it via silence and excuses….
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12-14-2022, 06:42 PM
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Originally Posted by wdmso
now you’re saying that seeking data on transgender folk is evidence of hate?
What do you call it Jim I can’t wait !
Your the reason the GOP is allowed to hate . You support it via silence and excuses….
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Jim calls it what Faux News tells him to call it.
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12-14-2022, 06:48 PM
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now you’re saying that seeking data on transgender folk is evidence of hate?
What do you call it Jim I can’t wait !
Your the reason the GOP is allowed to hate . You support it via silence and excuses….
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how about research? have you ever heard that you need date to do research? how do you do research of any kind, without data.
Every single state had data on people
who tested positive for covid. Does the state therefore hate all those people?
jesus god almighty, why can’t you post what he wants the data for? i work with data all day, every day, does that mean innate the people whose data i’m looking at?
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12-14-2022, 10:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT
how about research? have you ever heard that you need date to do research? how do you do research of any kind, without data.
Every single state had data on people
who tested positive for covid. Does the state therefore hate all those people?
jesus god almighty, why can’t you post what he wants the data for? i work with data all day, every day, does that mean innate the people whose data i’m looking at?
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Because they won’t say what they want the data for or admit that they asked for it and received it.
Paxton’s office did not respond to requests for comment.
The records obtained by The Post, which document communications among DPS employees, are titled “AG Request Sex Change Data” and “AG data request.” They indicate that Paxton’s office sought the records a month after the state Supreme Court ruled that Paxton and Abbott had overreached in their efforts to investigate families with transgender children for child abuse.
Paxton’s office bypassed the normal channels — DPS’ government relations and general counsel’s offices — and went straight to the driver license division staff in making the request, according to a state employee familiar with it, who said the staff was told that Paxton’s office wanted “numbers” and later would want “a list” of names, as well as “the number of people who had had a legal sex change.”
During the following two months, the employee said, the DPS staff searched its records for changes in the “sex” category of not only driver’s licenses but also state ID cards available from birth, learner’s permits issued to those age 15 and up, commercial licenses, state election certificates, and occupational licenses. The employee spoke on the condition of anonymity to avoid retaliation for describing internal state discussions.
DPS staff members compiled a list of 16,466 gender changes between June 1, 2020, and June 30, 2022, public records show. In the emails, DPS staff members repeatedly referred to the request as coming from the attorney general’s office as they discussed attempting to narrow the data to include only licenses that had been altered to reflect a court-ordered change in someone’s gender.
DPS staff members did spot checks on the data, examining records that included names of specific individuals, according to records and the state employee familiar with the inquiry. But it was hard to weed out driver’s licenses that had been changed in error, or multiple times, or for reasons other than gender changes.
“It will be very difficult to determine which records had a valid update without a manual review of all supporting documents,” an assistant manager in the DPS driver’s license division wrote in an email to colleagues on July 22.
On Aug. 4, the division chief emailed staff members, “We have expended enough effort on this attempt to provide data. After this run, have them package the data that they have with the high level explanations and close it out.” On Aug. 18, a senior manager emailed to say a data engineer had “provided the data request by the AG’s office (attached).”
Last month, The Post made a request to Paxton’s office for all records the attorney general’s office had directed other state offices to compile related to driver’s licenses in which the sex of the driver was changed, as well as related emails between Paxton’s office and other state agencies.
Officials indicated that no such records existed.
“Why would the Office of the Attorney General have gathered this information?” Assistant Attorney General June Harden wrote in an email to The Post, later adding, “Why do you believe this is the case?”
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12-15-2022, 09:39 AM
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Because they won’t say what they want the data for or admit that they asked for it and received it.
Paxton’s office did not respond to requests for comment.
The records obtained by The Post, which document communications among DPS employees, are titled “AG Request Sex Change Data” and “AG data request.” They indicate that Paxton’s office sought the records a month after the state Supreme Court ruled that Paxton and Abbott had overreached in their efforts to investigate families with transgender children for child abuse.
Paxton’s office bypassed the normal channels — DPS’ government relations and general counsel’s offices — and went straight to the driver license division staff in making the request, according to a state employee familiar with it, who said the staff was told that Paxton’s office wanted “numbers” and later would want “a list” of names, as well as “the number of people who had had a legal sex change.”
During the following two months, the employee said, the DPS staff searched its records for changes in the “sex” category of not only driver’s licenses but also state ID cards available from birth, learner’s permits issued to those age 15 and up, commercial licenses, state election certificates, and occupational licenses. The employee spoke on the condition of anonymity to avoid retaliation for describing internal state discussions.
DPS staff members compiled a list of 16,466 gender changes between June 1, 2020, and June 30, 2022, public records show. In the emails, DPS staff members repeatedly referred to the request as coming from the attorney general’s office as they discussed attempting to narrow the data to include only licenses that had been altered to reflect a court-ordered change in someone’s gender.
DPS staff members did spot checks on the data, examining records that included names of specific individuals, according to records and the state employee familiar with the inquiry. But it was hard to weed out driver’s licenses that had been changed in error, or multiple times, or for reasons other than gender changes.
“It will be very difficult to determine which records had a valid update without a manual review of all supporting documents,” an assistant manager in the DPS driver’s license division wrote in an email to colleagues on July 22.
On Aug. 4, the division chief emailed staff members, “We have expended enough effort on this attempt to provide data. After this run, have them package the data that they have with the high level explanations and close it out.” On Aug. 18, a senior manager emailed to say a data engineer had “provided the data request by the AG’s office (attached).”
Last month, The Post made a request to Paxton’s office for all records the attorney general’s office had directed other state offices to compile related to driver’s licenses in which the sex of the driver was changed, as well as related emails between Paxton’s office and other state agencies.
Officials indicated that no such records existed.
“Why would the Office of the Attorney General have gathered this information?” Assistant Attorney General June Harden wrote in an email to The Post, later adding, “Why do you believe this is the case?”
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and if the state uses that data to violate the constitutional
rights of those people in any way, THEN you have a point. Until then, you’re making stuff up and fear mongering, because the actual facts don’t suit you.
I’m sure the state of TX plans on executing all those people, Pete.
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12-15-2022, 09:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT
and if the state uses that data to violate the constitutional
rights of those people in any way, THEN you have a point. Until then, you’re making stuff up and fear mongering, because the actual facts don’t suit you.
I’m sure the state of TX plans on executing all those people, Pete.
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The actual facts are that the Texas AGs office sought this information.
Perhaps you can enlighten us as to what Texas law was broken and needed to be enforced or just how this fell into the purview of the AG?
Why would Paxton’s office deny that they sought this information?
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12-15-2022, 10:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Pete F.
The actual facts are that the Texas AGs office sought this information.
Perhaps you can enlighten us as to what Texas law was broken and needed to be enforced or just how this fell into the purview of the AG?
Why would Paxton’s office deny that they sought this information?
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"The actual facts are that the Texas AGs office sought this information."
And another actual fact, is that this in and of itself, is no big deal. Where's the evidence the data will be used to harm anyone?
"Perhaps you can enlighten us as to what Texas law was broken and needed to be enforced"
I would, except there's no reason to believe that a law must be broken for data to be requested. All kinds of data are requested all the time, that doesn't mean a law was broken, does it?
You're trying to criticize someone, for something they haven't done yet.
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12-15-2022, 09:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT
how about research? have you ever heard that you need date to do research? how do you do research of any kind, without data.
Every single state had data on people
who tested positive for covid. Does the state therefore hate all those people?
jesus god almighty, why can’t you post what he wants the data for? i work with data all day, every day, does that mean innate the people whose data i’m looking at?
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Denial Jim its not a good look
nor does your conspiracies "Every single state had data on people
who tested positive for covid."
Wow you're so deep in it .. positives are reported Jim to the state not names and address that's your fantasy
but your pal paxton filed a lawsuit with a few other red state AGs
Texas AG Paxton to Newsmax: FedEx, UPS Gun Policy 'Suspicious
"The fact that you have FedEx and UPS adopting this unusual policy, this very far-reaching policy in relation to one type of manufacturing — guns — at the same time, is a little suspicious and seems unlikely that they just came up with this idea on their own
The policy, he added, could be an attempt by the Biden administration to limit the second amendment.
"They obviously are very hostile to some of our constitutional rights, the First Amendment being one of them, the Second Amendment the other one," he said. "So, they're doing what they call workarounds.
They are very uncomfortable with freedom as it was put out by our founders and the Second Amendment is one of those freedoms that they feel very hostile towards.
So they imagine the Government is Tracking americans and are outraged..
But they want a list of Transgender People as you claim just for the data
WOW talk about hippocrates
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