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[Got Stripers]

I really hope Trump announces he is running, then he can complete his dismantling of the GOP, the debates between him and Ron will be epic.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

I really hope Trump announces he is running, then he can complete his dismantling of the GOP, the debates between him and Ron will be epic.

the debates between brandon and fedderwoman would be much better and more troubling.....

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

I really hope Trump announces he is running, then he can complete his dismantling of the GOP, the debates between him and Ron will be epic.

i hadn’t known Trump threatened Desantis until
wayne posted it. It’s inexcusable. I’m at the point where if he was the GOP nominee i’m not sure if i’d vote for him.

If desantis were to beat him somehow in a primary, i’d bet trump would run as a third party candidate

In what way is the GOP dismantled? When this election is over and counted, the GOP will probably have a small house majority, probably 50 or 51 senate seats, and a large majority of state governorships and state legislatures. The GOP right now, is way way stronger than the democrats were in 2016, it’s not even close. that’s mathematical fact.

Trump is suppressing what the GOP could
be doing for sure, but they’re not dismantled. If we can put him in the rear view mirror, the gop will be in great shape. but that’s a big if.

If i was a democrat i’d be praying he’s the GOP nominee in. 2024. Who on the left would look good next to Desantis. If it’s Newsom ( my guess), all Desantis has to do is point out how many people are fleeing CA and how many are moving to FL. What’s the comeback to that?

[scottw]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

I’m at the point where if he was the GOP nominee i’m not sure if i’d vote for him.

I heard he's going to jail for stealing and selling our most secret nuclear secrets

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

i hadn’t known Trump threatened Desantis until
wayne posted it. It’s inexcusable. I’m at the point where if he was the GOP nominee i’m not sure if i’d vote for him.

If desantis were to beat him somehow in a primary, i’d bet trump would run as a third party candidate

In what way is the GOP dismantled? When this election is over and counted, the GOP will probably have a small house majority, probably 50 or 51 senate seats, and a large majority of state governorships and state legislatures. The GOP right now, is way way stronger than the democrats were in 2016, it’s not even close. that’s mathematical fact.

Trump is suppressing what the GOP could
be doing for sure, but they’re not dismantled. If we can put him in the rear view mirror, the gop will be in great shape. but that’s a big if.

If i was a democrat i’d be praying he’s the GOP. i i went. 2024. Who in the left would look good next to Desantis. If it’s Newsom ( my guess), all Desantis has to do is point out how many people
are fleeing CA and how many are moving to FL. What’s the comeback to that?

Gretchen Whitmer and Josh Shapiro pulled off bigger upsets than Ron DeSantis. What would you rather have? A candidate that can win in a swing state or a candidate that wins big in a state largely full of their own voters?

Florida is Florida (and TX is TX), but does an anti-abortion-access/anti-science/anti-corporation presidential candidate attract moderate Rs and Is?
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Gretchen Whitmer and Josh Shapiro pulled off bigger upsets

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dear pete...whitmer was "re-elected"

and shapiro was elected in a state that decided it was a good idea to send fedderwoman to the senate.....soooooo

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Gretchen Whitmer and Josh Shapiro pulled off bigger upsets than Ron DeSantis. What would you rather have? A candidate that can win in a swing state or a candidate that wins big in a state largely full of their own voters?

Florida is Florida (and TX is TX), but does an anti-abortion-access/anti-science/anti-corporation presidential candidate attract moderate Rs and Is?
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I never said Desantis’ win was an upset. Never came close to saying it. his margin of victory is impressive, his win in Miami Dade is noteworthy, and his accomplishments are extraordinary. 850 people
a day are moving to FL. 850 a day.

Whitmer, similarly, wasn’t an upset. She’s an incumbent who isn’t unpopular with her party.

Shapiro is impressive.

Desantis is a big reason why FL isn’t a swing state right now. 4 years ago he won by a point. tuesday he won by 20. show me an incumbent who won de election, who i creased his margin of history by 20 points?

Florida was a swing state until Desantis took over. You’ll
never admit it, but he simply a solid leader. The good thing is, it doesn’t matter at all that you can’t admit it. it’s true whether you like it or not.

who is anti science? Desantis? He’s one of the i my governors who got the science right on covid, one of the only ones who bucked the trend and kept his state unemployment way below national averages and kept kids in school. again, no one cares if you hate that fact. It’s still a fact.

who’s anti corporation? I’m curious who you’re saying is anti corporation.

you’re coming unglued my man.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

I never said Desantis’ win was an upset.

you’re coming unglued my man.

no but he went from barely winning last time to winning by 20 points in a state where pete told us he killed all of his voters and geraldo told us latinos were going to make him pay for something he did and pete told us crist was winning bigly....

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by scottw

no but he went from barely winning last time to winning by 20 points in a state where pete told us he killed all of his voters and geraldo told us latinos were going to make him pay for something he did and pete told us crist was winning bigly....

exactly. he increased his margin of victory by 20 points in a state that has been a toss up state lately. It ain’t Oklahoma.

WTF is going on in arizona with vote counting? doesn't instill
confidence. Should be enough for Lake if you assume in person votes lean right.

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

exactly. he increased his margin of victory by 20 points in a state that has been a toss up state lately. It ain’t Oklahoma.

WTF is going on in arizona with vote counting? doesn't instill
confidence. Should be enough for Lake if you assume in person votes lean right.

They could do it the way Florida does it . Blame Arizona Republicans. The had all 3 offices and did nothing .

And even if lake wins it won’t change she’ll claim some crazy reason and her idea will be to suppress the vote. Or try to gerrymander maricopa county because that’s where they lose elections
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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

I never said Desantis’ win was an upset. Never came close to saying it. his margin of victory is impressive, his win in Miami Dade is noteworthy, and his accomplishments are extraordinary. 850 people
a day are moving to FL. 850 a day.

Whitmer, similarly, wasn’t an upset. She’s an incumbent who isn’t unpopular with her party.

Shapiro is impressive.

Desantis is a big reason why FL isn’t a swing state right now. 4 years ago he won by a point. tuesday he won by 20. show me an incumbent who won de election, who i creased his margin of history by 20 points?

Florida was a swing state until Desantis took over. You’ll
never admit it, but he simply a solid leader. The good thing is, it doesn’t matter at all that you can’t admit it. it’s true whether you like it or not.

who is anti science? Desantis? He’s one of the i my governors who got the science right on covid, one of the only ones who bucked the trend and kept his state unemployment way below national averages and kept kids in school. again, no one cares if you hate that fact. It’s still a fact.

who’s anti corporation? I’m curious who you’re saying is anti corporation.

you’re coming unglued my man.

You’re right in that I don’t think he’s a good leader, he’s demonstrated many times that he’s got a glass chin and can’t handle political battles.

What the #^&#^&#^&#^& did you THINK would happen?

The Florida GOP is the single best Republican party in the country, hands down. It has infinite money, a deep bench of consultants and operatives, and *wins.*
It’s Alabama football vs the Middle Missouri Girls’ Preparatory Academy Field Hockey team.
The FL Dems? Tough love time: they can’t organize a two-car motorcade, I’ve got more money in my glove compartment, and their skilled operators could fit around a Waffle House table.
And here’s the REAL tough love: they let themselves be painted as far to the left in a RED STATE. Florida is and has been and is become more of a red state by the day. The idea that DeSantis and Rubio “turned Florida red” is absurd, an almost hilariously bad take.
Florida was and has been a red state for a generation; blue wins were largely just statistical noise, certainly at the statewide level. This win is not the flex you think it is.

This is like Mike Tyson boxing with a 90 year old man in a nursing home. The outcome is not unexpected.

Frankly, the question isn’t why DeSantis won by 20 points. Rather, why didn’t he win by 40 points?
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

You’re right in that I don’t think he’s a good leader, he’s demonstrated many times that he’s got a glass chin and can’t handle political battles.

What the #^&#^&#^&#^& did you THINK would happen?

The Florida GOP is the single best Republican party in the country, hands down. It has infinite money, a deep bench of consultants and operatives, and *wins.*
It’s Alabama football vs the Middle Missouri Girls’ Preparatory Academy Field Hockey team.
The FL Dems? Tough love time: they can’t organize a two-car motorcade, I’ve got more money in my glove compartment, and their skilled operators could fit around a Waffle House table.
And here’s the REAL tough love: they let themselves be painted as far to the left in a RED STATE. Florida is and has been and is become more of a red state by the day. The idea that DeSantis and Rubio “turned Florida red” is absurd, an almost hilariously bad take.
Florida was and has been a red state for a generation; blue wins were largely just statistical noise, certainly at the statewide level. This win is not the flex you think it is.

This is like Mike Tyson boxing with a 90 year old man in a nursing home. The outcome is not unexpected.

Frankly, the question isn’t why DeSantis won by 20 points. Rather, why didn’t he win by 40 points?
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"he’s got a glass chin"

If he had a glass chin, he'd be dead by now. He's the second most attacked human by the left after Trump. If he had a glass chin, he wouldn't have such an unbelievable record of saying "no" to woke nonsense, because he knows he's going to get attacked for it. If he cared about protecting a glass chin, he wouldn't do most of what he does.

"can’t handle political battles."

Tell that to governor Crist.

"What the #^&#^&#^&#^& did you THINK would happen?"

Well, you posted polls saying Crist was going to win. Then you say a Desantis 20 point landslide wasn't any kind of upset. So if we looked up the phrase "wanting to have it both ways", there's be a photo of you.

I was confident Desantis was going to win. But any way you cut it, a 20 point increase in margin of victory, is a big deal.

"I don’t think he’s a good leader"

His constituents disagree, and so do many of the 850 people a day moving there.

"It’s Alabama football vs the Middle Missouri Girls’ Preparatory Academy Field Hockey team."

Again, that's sure not what you were saying a few days ago!

You are precious Pete. Watching you guys try to always spin every single event to serve The Narrative.

"Florida is and has been and is become more of a red state"

Except Obama won in twice! Some reliable red state!!

You guys will say ANYTIHNG to protect liberalism. What in Gods name is in that Kool Aid anyway?

You are very, very special.

"This is like Mike Tyson boxing with a 90 year old man in a nursing home. The outcome is not unexpected."

Again, do you not read your own posts?

He won in a landslide, he flipped Miami Dade which Hilary won by 30 points in 2016, he has soaring approval ratings, and huge numbers of people and businesses want to re-locate to his state. Despite having no income tax, he has managed to create a landscape that huge numbers of people and businesses want to move to. That's called "winning" buddy.

Keep howling ta the moon, Pete...

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

"he’s got a glass chin"

If he had a glass chin, he'd be dead by now. He's the second most attacked human by the left after Trump. If he had a glass chin, he wouldn't have such an unbelievable record of saying "no" to woke nonsense, because he knows he's going to get attacked for it. If he cared about protecting a glass chin, he wouldn't do most of what he does.

"can’t handle political battles."

Tell that to governor Crist.

"What the #^&#^&#^&#^& did you THINK would happen?"

Well, you posted polls saying Crist was going to win. Then you say a Desantis 20 point landslide wasn't any kind of upset. So if we looked up the phrase "wanting to have it both ways", there's be a photo of you.

I was confident Desantis was going to win. But any way you cut it, a 20 point increase in margin of victory, is a big deal.

"I don’t think he’s a good leader"

His constituents disagree, and so do many of the 850 people a day moving there.

"It’s Alabama football vs the Middle Missouri Girls’ Preparatory Academy Field Hockey team."

Again, that's sure not what you were saying a few days ago!

You are precious Pete. Watching you guys try to always spin every single event to serve The Narrative.

"Florida is and has been and is become more of a red state"

Except Obama won in twice! Some reliable red state!!

You guys will say ANYTIHNG to protect liberalism. What in Gods name is in that Kool Aid anyway?

You are very, very special.

"This is like Mike Tyson boxing with a 90 year old man in a nursing home. The outcome is not unexpected."

Again, do you not read your own posts?

He won in a landslide, he flipped Miami Dade which Hilary won by 30 points in 2016, he has soaring approval ratings, and huge numbers of people and businesses want to re-locate to his state. Despite having no income tax, he has managed to create a landscape that huge numbers of people and businesses want to move to. That's called "winning" buddy.

Keep howling ta the moon, Pete...

He’s your new favorite authoritarian, how predictable.

Big Gretch, Josh, Gavin Newsom, Wes Moore, Jared Polis - the bench for the post Biden Presidential bench is looking better and better.

All the Trumplicans have is Trump and Trump toadies.
Between Desanctimonious, Lying Ted, Little Marco, Running Cotton, Gym Jordan, Three toe, and the Moscow Mules you’ve got a lot to pick from
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