Desantis sends two plane loads of illegals to Martha’s Vineyard

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Poor victim
I believe every woman has the right to choose the father of her child. You believe that every rapist has the chance to choose the mother of his.
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you like doing research. look up the % of abortions that are done as a result of rape. it’s pretty small. So you’re dodging the real issue and fixating in the rare exception, which does need to be addressed, but it’s not the focal point. Not unless one is trying to dodge the real issue, which is clearly what you’re doing here.

I’d be ok with laws allowing abortion in the case of rape. So we don’t know who you’re responding to, but you’re not responding to anything i ever said. As is often the case

When you have to resort to responding to the gs that weren’t said, that suggests even you know you can’t respond to things that were actually said, but you’re too small to admit it. Like wdmso can’t tell us what issues he thinks the left is wrong on, but he accuses everyone but himself of being in a cult.

Here’s the data. the top
reasons for abortion by far, have nothing to do with rape. I can’t afford it, need to do concentrate on my other kids, not sure about my partner ( i love that one), would be too intrusive in my life, blah blah blah.

All code for, “it’s too inconvenient for me.”. Adoption also is a solution for those reasons, but it requires having a little bit of empathy and not being so self centered.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3729671/

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

you like doing research. look up the % of abortions that are done as a result of rape. it’s pretty small. So you’re dodging the real issue and fixating in the rare exception, which does need to be addressed, but it’s not the focal point. Not unless one is trying to dodge the real issue, which is clearly what you’re doing here.

I’d be ok with laws allowing abortion in the case of rape. So we don’t know who you’re responding to, but you’re not responding to anything i ever said. As is often the case

When you have to resort to responding to the gs that weren’t said, that suggests even you know you can’t respond to things that were actually said, but you’re too small to admit it. Like wdmso can’t tell us what issues he thinks the left is wrong on, but he accuses everyone but himself of being in a cult.

Here’s the data. the top
reasons for abortion by far, have nothing to do with rape. I can’t afford it, need to do concentrate on my other kids, not sure about my partner ( i love that one), would be too intrusive in my life, blah blah blah.

All code for, “it’s too inconvenient for me.”. Adoption also is a solution for those reasons, but it requires having a little bit of empathy and not being so self centered.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3729671/

Poor victim

There is a term for creatures that are not allowed to control their own reproduction

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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Poor victim

There is a term for creatures that are not allowed to control their own reproduction

LIVESTOCK
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So do you oppose laws which prohibit female teachers from reproducing with underage male students? After all, you just said it's wrong to not allow women "to control their own reproduction". Have fun getting out of that corner that you backed yourself into.

Pete. everyone thinks women can do what they want, as long as they don't hurt anyone else. You believe that, so do I. That necessarily means, that as far as women's rights go, we completely agree.

The only point of disagreement, is whether or not the baby constitutes "someone else". Womens rights has nothing to do with this, the status of the baby has everything to do with it. Yet you (and the entire pro abortion movement) spend 100% of your time on a demonstrably false rant about womens rights, when you and I agree completely on womens rights.

Once again, you can't respond to what I'm saying, so you respond to a false argument. You're framing it dishonestly, because you know that if it's framed honestly, your position looks ugly.

Don't talk to me about womens rights. Tell me why the baby isn't a human being. That's the argument, the only relevant argument.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

So do you oppose laws which prohibit female teachers from reproducing with underage male students? After all, you just said it's wrong to not allow women "to control their own reproduction". Have fun getting out of that corner that you backed yourself into.

Pete. everyone thinks women can do what they want, as long as they don't hurt anyone else. You believe that, so do I. That necessarily means, that as far as women's rights go, we completely agree.

The only point of disagreement, is whether or not the baby constitutes "someone else". Womens rights has nothing to do with this, the status of the baby has everything to do with it. Yet you (and the entire pro abortion movement) spend 100% of your time on a demonstrably false rant about womens rights, when you and I agree completely on womens rights.

Once again, you can't respond to what I'm saying, so you respond to a false argument. You're framing it dishonestly, because you know that if it's framed honestly, your position looks ugly.

Don't talk to me about womens rights. Tell me why the baby isn't a human being. That's the argument, the only relevant argument.

You’re wrong

Most Americans agree that the results of the Republican abortion ban will be horrific in many ways.

Roevember is coming
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

You’re wrong

Most Americans agree that the results of the Republican abortion ban will be horrific in many ways.

Roevember is coming
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Saying "you're wrong" doesn't make me wrong.

One's stance on abortion doesn't depend on your view of women's rights (because we all agree a woman can do whatever she likes as long as she doesn't harm someone else). One's stance on abortion only depends on their view of the status of the baby..

I completely agree that Roe will help the Democrats in November. Because most Americans don't view the baby as a human being.

Your side frames pro life as being opposed to womens righhts. Obviously it's not, or you wouldn't see so many women who are pro life.

Your side does this on every single issue. If you want a secure border, you're a xenophobe. If you believe a Christian baker has the same religious freedom as anyone else, you're a homophobe. The framing is politically brilliant and very effective, but not based in facts.