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09-01-2022, 12:26 PM
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Who’s adamantly opposed to nuclear?
As for coal it’s been uneconomical for a while and pretty much all developed countries are trying to not use it, I doubt you’ll find anyone willing to invest the money to bring it back.
I’m old enough to remember off peak rates and using it for domestic hot water and electric heat.
In the same vein, some power companies are now funding on site battery storage, charged with solar OR off peak power.
It can then be used to reduce peak grid demand and is also available for power outages.
Don’t panic, it will get there in a number of ways.
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09-01-2022, 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Pete F.
Who’s adamantly opposed to nuclear?
As for coal it’s been uneconomical for a while and pretty much all developed countries are trying to not use it, I doubt you’ll find anyone willing to invest the money to bring it back.
I’m old enough to remember off peak rates and using it for domestic hot water and electric heat.
In the same vein, some power companies are now funding on site battery storage, charged with solar OR off peak power.
It can then be used to reduce peak grid demand and is also available for power outages.
Don’t panic, it will get there in a number of ways.
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"Who’s adamantly opposed to nuclear?"
Stupid people. Including a majority on your side. From the Gallup poll...
"Democrats continue to be far less likely than Republicans to favor using it. The pattern is in line with Democratic-leaning environmental groups' long-standing opposition to nuclear power; this has been focused on concerns about the environmental risks posed by nuclear waste and accidents, as well as their preference for renewable energy such as wind, solar and geothermal. Currently, 39% of Democrats versus 60% of Republicans and 53% of independents favor nuclear energy"
https://news.gallup.com/poll/392831/...ar-energy.aspx
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09-02-2022, 03:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT
"Who’s adamantly opposed to nuclear?"
Stupid people. Including a majority on your side. From the Gallup poll...
"Democrats continue to be far less likely than Republicans to favor using it. The pattern is in line with Democratic-leaning environmental groups' long-standing opposition to nuclear power; this has been focused on concerns about the environmental risks posed by nuclear waste and accidents, as well as their preference for renewable energy such as wind, solar and geothermal. Currently, 39% of Democrats versus 60% of Republicans and 53% of independents favor nuclear energy"
https://news.gallup.com/poll/392831/...ar-energy.aspx
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So according to you 40% of Republicans, 47% of independents and 61% of Democrats are stupid.
Don’t panic, it will get there in a number of ways.
It’s impossible, is not one of them.
In a hundred years we went from horse and buggy to a man on the moon, and it seems you still think the earth is flat.
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09-02-2022, 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT
"Who’s adamantly opposed to nuclear?"
Stupid people. Including a majority on your side. From the Gallup poll...
"Democrats continue to be far less likely than Republicans to favor using it. The pattern is in line with Democratic-leaning environmental groups' long-standing opposition to nuclear power; this has been focused on concerns about the environmental risks posed by nuclear waste and accidents, as well as their preference for renewable energy such as wind, solar and geothermal. Currently, 39% of Democrats versus 60% of Republicans and 53% of independents favor nuclear energy"
https://news.gallup.com/poll/392831/...ar-energy.aspx
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Your just a parrot repeating what your told try doing some research
The average age of U.S. commercial nuclear power reactors that were operational as of December 31, 2021, was about 40 years. The oldest operating reactor is Nine Mile Point 1 in New York, which entered commercial service in December 1969. The newest reactor to enter service is Tennessee’s Watts Bar Unit 2, which began operation in June 2016. The next-youngest operating reactor is Watts Bar Unit 1, also in Tennessee, which entered service in May 1996.
cost is nuclear's Achilles' heel. Modern-day reactors have become jarringly expensive to build, going for $5 billion to $10 billion a pop. Worse, the price tag seems to be rising in many places. Back in the 1960s, new reactors in the US were one of the cheaper energy sources around. Two decades later, after a series of missteps, those costs had increased sixfold — a big reason we stopped building plants.
EIA calculates overnight construction costs for new US power plants ordered in 2014. Advanced nuclear reactors are estimated to cost $5,366 for every kilowatt of capacity. That means a large 1-gigawatt reactor would cost around $5.4 billion to build, excluding financing costs. By contrast, a new wind farm costs just $1,980 per kilowatt. A new gas plant costs just $912 per kilowatt, or one-fifth as much. (This isn't a perfect comparison, since reactors run at capacity more often than wind farms or gas plants. But even if you adjust for capacity factors, those construction costs make nuclear uncompetitive. High upfront costs can also scare off investors.)
Keep thinking it’s liberals fault
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09-02-2022, 04:02 PM
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"France to build up to 14 new nuclear reactors by 2050, says Macron. Emmanuel Macron has announced a “renaissance” for the French nuclear industry with a vast programme to build as many as 14 new reactors, arguing that it would help end the country's reliance on fossil fuels and make France carbon neutral by 2050." Feb 10, 2022
"California's last nuclear plant – scheduled to fully shut down by 2025 – has been given renewed life. California lawmakers voted on Wednesday to delay the closure of the Diablo Canyon facility by five years, after the governor warned the state could face rolling blackouts if its twin reactors were retired too soon." 1 day ago
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09-02-2022, 04:13 PM
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Originally Posted by scottw
"France to build up to 14 new nuclear reactors by 2050, says Macron. Emmanuel Macron has announced a “renaissance” for the French nuclear industry with a vast programme to build as many as 14 new reactors, arguing that it would help end the country's reliance on fossil fuels and make France carbon neutral by 2050." Feb 10, 2022
"California's last nuclear plant – scheduled to fully shut down by 2025 – has been given renewed life. California lawmakers voted on Wednesday to delay the closure of the Diablo Canyon facility by five years, after the governor warned the state could face rolling blackouts if its twin reactors were retired too soon." 1 day ago
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I am sure this 5 year extension in based on current energy prices worldwide
France isn’t the USA United States they always built nuclear plants
France’s minister for energy transition said Friday that French electricity giant EDF has committed to restart all its nuclear reactors by this winter to help the country through the broad energy crisis aggravated by the war in Ukraine.
France relies on nuclear energy for about 67% of its electricity – more than any other country – and on gas for about 7%.
So do you have a point
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09-02-2022, 04:21 PM
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Originally Posted by wdmso
I am sure this 5 year extension in based on current energy prices worldwide
France isn’t the USA United States they always built nuclear plants
France’s minister for energy transition said Friday that French electricity giant EDF has committed to restart all its nuclear reactors by this winter to help the country through the broad energy crisis aggravated by the war in Ukraine.
France relies on nuclear energy for about 67% of its electricity – more than any other country – and on gas for about 7%.
So do you have a point
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I made a point...you made a mess as usual....
they delayed shuttering the nuclear plant in California becuase it would cause power outages
"The governor pushed for the extension in the final days of the legislative session in an attempt to maintain a steady power supply and avoid the politically damaging prospect of power outages."
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09-02-2022, 05:34 PM
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Originally Posted by scottw
I made a point...you made a mess as usual....
they delayed shuttering the nuclear plant in California becuase it would cause power outages
"The governor pushed for the extension in the final days of the legislative session in an attempt to maintain a steady power supply and avoid the politically damaging prospect of power outages."
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Of course you avoid the real reason energy prices
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09-02-2022, 05:23 PM
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Originally Posted by wdmso
cost is nuclear's Achilles' heel. Modern-day reactors have become jarringly expensive to build, going for $5 billion to $10 billion a pop.
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How many reactors have we sent to the Ukraine?
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09-02-2022, 05:40 PM
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How many reactors have we sent to the Ukraine?
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The government doesn’t build reactors do they.. its the private sectors Choice .
Now you’re upset the US has supported Ukraine and not spending that money here at home.
Which you would of course be against . Once they tried to spend it . Yelling no socialism
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