Desantis is a rock star.

[Got Stripers]

Kids need all their vaccinations in order to go to school, many diseases have for the most part been eradicated, public health and protection from outbreaks like Covid sometimes isn’t a matter of choice. Still those that choose to not get vaccinated still have choices, home school, self employment, I have no problem with those choices, provided they don’t impact my health.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

Kids need all their vaccinations in order to go to school, many diseases have for the most part been eradicated, public health and protection from outbreaks like Covid sometimes isn’t a matter of choice. Still those that choose to not get vaccinated still have choices, home school, self employment, I have no problem with those choices, provided they don’t impact my health.

So what you're saying, is that we can have control over our own bodies, but not to the point where we harm someone else, right?

This is very important...You're saying you're OK with limiting someone's right to choose self autonomy, when that choice would hurt someone else. Right?

Which is the exact pro life position, just applied to another scenerio.

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

So what you're saying, is that we can have control over our own bodies, but not to the point where we harm someone else, right?

This is very important...You're saying you're OK with limiting someone's right to choose self autonomy, when that choice would hurt someone else. Right?

Which is the exact pro life position, just applied to another scenerio.

that's the sheeps response

A to be or not to be vaccinated is one's Choice.. Government only mandated Government workers. private companies can mandate rules from no smoking to no shoes no shirt no service to maintain civil society

telling a woman she can't get an abortion falls nowhere Near world wide public health emergency


but do what you do best keep convincing yourself Covid 19 and abortion are exactly the same thing

[Got Stripers]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

So what you're saying, is that we can have control over our own bodies, but not to the point where we harm someone else, right?

This is very important...You're saying you're OK with limiting someone's right to choose self autonomy, when that choice would hurt someone else. Right?

Which is the exact pro life position, just applied to another scenerio.

If that someone or something depending on your point of view is inside a women, that's her choice and you know that's my position. Didn't take me long to see your predictable response, I could have guessed what was coming, give or take a word or to.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

If that someone or something depending on your point of view is inside a women, that's her choice and you know that's my position. Didn't take me long to see your predictable response, I could have guessed what was coming, give or take a word or to.

again, that’s why i’ve always said that abortion isn’t about choice. it’s about the status of the baby. right? because you and i both believe that women can do whatever they want as long as they don’t hurt someone else

you and i agree on when choice applies, and when it’s limited ( when someone else is hurt). all abortion is about, then, is whether or not the baby is “someone else”.

every thing else is a smokescreen.
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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

again, that’s why i’ve always said that abortion isn’t about choice. it’s about the status of the baby. right? because you and i both believe that women can do whatever they want as long as they don’t hurt someone else

you and i agree on when choice applies, and when it’s limited ( when someone else is hurt). all abortion is about, then, is whether or not the baby is “someone else”.

every thing else is a smokescreen.
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Just go to Texas. Today abortion, a medical procedure, is now a felony. Punishable with up to life in prison. No exceptions for rape or incest. If you don’t think this will seriously impact medical care, you are wrong.
Treatment of miscarriage. Treatment of ectopic pregnancy.
Treatment of previable pregnancy loss.
Access to contraception.
Access to fertility care.
And more.
Abortion medications are used to treat incomplete miscarriage and ectopic.

When your water ruptured and the pregnancy is previable you need to induce labor even if the baby has a heartbeat or terminate the pregnancy - otherwise you can become septic and die.

When life is defined as starting at fertilization, as in “personhood” bilks, it can limit the option to have full access to contraception and IVF care.

Nothing about this is pro-life - this is forced birth.

A person should not be forced to risk their life to carry a pregnancy. Pregnancy inherently has risks in every case. And people seek abortion care for terrible circumstances that you could never imagine.

The decision to have an abortion should be personal. You should be allowed to follow your own core beliefs with input from your doctor and family.

Abortion is heath care. Politicians are making medical decisions without understanding the consequences other than political.

And when the consequence for providing essential medical care is a felony, you will see uncertainty and delay in care. Lawyers will get involved. Doctors will leave the state. Even getting care will become difficult. We must not allow this to happen silently.

This is why docs4fertility exists. Your doctors know what is coming. We know this is not safe. And we are not willing to have patient care compromised by politics without a fight.

We support access to the full spectrum of reproductive care for all. Join us.
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