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08-07-2022, 03:24 PM
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Senate Republicans have just blocked the $35/month insulin price cap for Americans on private insurance from Democrats' spending bill.
Here’s what happens when folks can’t afford insulin: they try to ration it. When that happens their sugars rise to levels where their cells, starved of glucose, switch to using ketones for intracellular energy. Their blood pH drops, they start breathing faster and faster to maintain a neutral pH. It’s unsustainable, the pH drops to 7.1, 6.9, 6.7… they become unresponsive, they have a seizure. If they’re lucky someone finds them and calls 911. They come to the ED where, because the high glucose is drawing fluid into the blood, they have peed out gallons of fluid. We slam them with fluids, bicarbonate, insulin once we know their potassium levels. They go to the ICU where care costs 10,000 dollars a day. They stay for days, weeks sometimes. Even, if you’re heartless enough to ignore the human cost, the “cost cost” of What we’re doing to diabetics is insane and stupid. It makes no sense. It’s inefficient. It costs more to fix DKA then it does to prevent them DKA. Way more.
Easy medical decision. Easy moral decision. Easy economic decision. And yet…
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08-07-2022, 04:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Pete F.
What we’re doing to diabetics is insane and stupid.
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in most cases they did and continue to do it to themselves...
Although not everyone with type 2 diabetes is overweight, obesity and an inactive lifestyle are two of the most common causes of type 2 diabetes. These things are responsible for about 90% to 95% of diabetes cases in the United States.
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08-07-2022, 06:52 PM
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Originally Posted by scottw
in most cases they did and continue to do it to themselves...
Although not everyone with type 2 diabetes is overweight, obesity and an inactive lifestyle are two of the most common causes of type 2 diabetes. These things are responsible for about 90% to 95% of diabetes cases in the United States.
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So let’s punish them it’s their fault. ? So pay more for your insulin instead of healthy food. Is that the conservatives position?
Republicans blocked it for their donors and drug companies . over American citizens classic
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08-08-2022, 02:28 AM
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So let’s punish them it’s their fault. ? So pay more for your insulin instead of healthy food. Is that the conservatives position?
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how is this "punish" ?
"pay more for insulin instead of healthy food" is a huge assumption and probably not even close to reality
"Is this the conservatives position" and as usually you invent stuff and try to ascribe it to someone to fit your narrative
you should have gone with "so kill all the diabetics in the country and take their stuff"..."is this the conservatives position?" 
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08-08-2022, 07:56 AM
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Originally Posted by scottw
how is this "punish" ?
"pay more for insulin instead of healthy food" is a huge assumption and probably not even close to reality
"Is this the conservatives position" and as usually you invent stuff and try to ascribe it to someone to fit your narrative
you should have gone with "so kill all the diabetics in the country and take their stuff"..."is this the conservatives position?" 
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First veterans now insulin users
Other than they denied Biden a small win . who did they protect? I doubt this added to the national deficit or added to inflation .
Yet republicans have complained about gas and oil taxes in the same bill Even while Recent second-quarter earnings reports proffered eye-popping figures: BP posted second-quarter profits worth $8.5 billion, its biggest windfall in 14 years. ExxonMobil went one further — its $17.9 billion in net income was its largest-ever quarterly profit. U.S. company Chevron, London-based Shell and France’s TotalEnergies also recorded blockbuster results. Put together, these five major companies made $55 billion this past quarter, as hundreds of millions of people around the world bore the brunt of surging prices at the pump.
You claim most are doing it to themselves
I guess theirs many different ways you read that? Other than assigned blame .
Top state for diabetes , Red states and their gullible base will cheer we’re owning the libs
1 wWest Virginia 15.7%
2 BAlabama 15.0%
3 YMississippi 14.6%
4 RLouisiana 14.3%
5 pTennessee 14.2%
6 nSouth Carolina 13.6%
7 CArkansas 13.2%
8 QKentucky 13.1%
9 jOklahoma 13.0%
9 qTexas 13.0%
11 HDelaware 12.7%
11 aNorth Carolina 12.7%
Individual poverty increased the odds of having diabetes for both Whites and Blacks. Living in a poor neighborhood increased the odds of having diabetes for Blacks and poor Whites.
I know I made up buy insulin or buy healthier food That’s never a choice
The cost of insulin for patients with insurance ranges from $334 to $1,000 a month, to 35.00 that’s huge
And of course you can’t control how that savings will be used
I am sorry Scott that my narratives actual include facts
And the facts are Diabetes are a cash cow for big pharma? Aka donors
Drug industry lobbyists viewed Republicans’ control of the Senate as critical to the industry’s interests.
top money getters. Republicans, like Sen. Mitch McConnell (Ky.) and Rep. Kevin McCarthy (Calif.) — the GOP leaders of the Senate and House, respectively — also ranked in the top 15 of all recipients.
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08-07-2022, 08:32 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by scottw
in most cases they did and continue to do it to themselves...
Although not everyone with type 2 diabetes is overweight, obesity and an inactive lifestyle are two of the most common causes of type 2 diabetes. These things are responsible for about 90% to 95% of diabetes cases in the United States.
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Have you ever seen a Trump rally?
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08-08-2022, 02:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Pete F.
Have you ever seen a Trump rally?
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my comment was not political....
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08-08-2022, 05:58 AM
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Originally Posted by scottw
my comment was not political....
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Look up ☝️
Even, if you’re heartless enough to ignore the human cost, the “cost cost” of What we’re doing to diabetics is insane and stupid. It makes no sense. It’s inefficient. It costs more to fix DKA then it does to prevent them DKA. Way more.
Easy medical decision. Easy moral decision. Easy economic decision. And yet…
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Frasier: Niles, I’ve just had the most marvelous idea for a website! People will post their opinions, cheeky bon mots, and insights, and others will reply in kind!
Niles: You have met “people”, haven’t you?
Lets Go Darwin
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08-08-2022, 06:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Pete F.
Look up ☝️
Even, if you’re heartless enough to ignore the human cost, the “cost cost” of What we’re doing to diabetics is insane and stupid. It makes no sense. It’s inefficient.
Easy medical decision. Easy moral decision. Easy economic decision. And yet…
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"WE" aren't doing anything to diabetics....most are doing it to themselves
diabetics are also most likely suffering from high blood pressure, high cholesterol, kidney disease, neuropathy etc....etc.......are we discounting all of those treatments and medications for them? And I though Obamacare fixed all of this? Insulin is just the political pandering flavor of the month....like forgiving student loans
and if you think a significant number of diabetics, as the result of having their insulin discounted by the federal government are suddenly going to turn to healthy groceries, exercise and weight loss...you are truly delusional
there is another option....
One of the first steps in getting off insulin is to exercise and adjust your diet to help you lose weight. Fasting from food for a portion of the day may help, as well as changing lifestyle habits such as quitting smoking.
Those with type 2 diabetes can often manage their condition with diet and exercise or with diabetes medications. Some others with this type of diabetes require insulin to control blood sugar levels.
A person with type 2 may start out on a once-daily pill that will control their blood sugar levels. However, if nothing changes with their lifestyle, they may need an adjustment to their dosage of medication or may be placed on insulin to replace their current treatment plan.
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08-08-2022, 07:11 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by scottw
"WE" aren't doing anything to diabetics....most are doing it to themselves
diabetics are also most likely suffering from high blood pressure, high cholesterol, kidney disease, neuropathy etc....etc.......are we discounting all of those treatments and medications for them? And I though Obamacare fixed all of this? Insulin is just the political pandering flavor of the month....like forgiving student loans
and if you think a significant number of diabetics, as the result of having their insulin discounted by the federal government are suddenly going to turn to healthy groceries, exercise and weight loss...you are truly delusional
there is another option....
One of the first steps in getting off insulin is to exercise and adjust your diet to help you lose weight. Fasting from food for a portion of the day may help, as well as changing lifestyle habits such as quitting smoking.
Those with type 2 diabetes can often manage their condition with diet and exercise or with diabetes medications. Some others with this type of diabetes require insulin to control blood sugar levels.
A person with type 2 may start out on a once-daily pill that will control their blood sugar levels. However, if nothing changes with their lifestyle, they may need an adjustment to their dosage of medication or may be placed on insulin to replace their current treatment plan.
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So your solution is to get Americans to change their lives for their own good?
We can’t subsidize insulin but subsidize high fructose corn syrup?
Don’t forget you’re in 'murica: firepower, corn syrup and deadly denial
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Lets Go Darwin
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