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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

It really is just a question of whether you believe that government should be: (A) competent, efficient and non-intrusive, or (B) discredited and ultimately destroyed.

Conservatives have always straddled between A and B. Trump just ended the straddle and went all B.
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Most forms of government can be (A). The NAZIs were very competent and efficient.

All governments are (B). Our constitutional republican form is one of the least intrusive. Progressivism is far more intrusive than our founded constitutional order.

Your choice of what "It really is just a question of" doesn't value freedom or individual liberty or unalienable rights as part of the question. Which is right in line with Progressivism. Probably because Freedom, individual liberty, and unalienable rights mess with the efficiency of government. That's actually one of the reasons Progressivism doesn't embrace those values. Authoritarian forms of government consider it right and competent when the ruling elite "experts" distribute whatever rights it deems efficiently workable in and through the governing system they impose.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by detbuch

Most forms of government can be (A). The NAZIs were very competent and efficient.

All governments are (B). Our constitutional republican form is one of the least intrusive. Progressivism is far more intrusive than our founded constitutional order.

Your choice of what "It really is just a question of" doesn't value freedom or individual liberty or unalienable rights as part of the question. Which is right in line with Progressivism. Probably because Freedom, individual liberty, and unalienable rights mess with the efficiency of government. That's actually one of the reasons Progressivism doesn't embrace those values. Authoritarian forms of government consider it right and competent when the ruling elite "experts" distribute whatever rights it deems efficiently workable in and through the governing system they impose.

You always seem confused about what you think the founders thought and where we are close to 250 years later.

As in what books, marriages, speech and religions are allowable?
Qualified immunity for police so they can be above the law?
Government control of corporate decisions as in Floriduh?
Political parties having control of government?
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

You always seem confused about what you think the founders thought and where we are close to 250 years later.

As in what books, marriages, speech and religions are allowable?
Qualified immunity for police so they can be above the law?
Government control of corporate decisions as in Floriduh?
Political parties having control of government?
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What I am confused about is your point.