Ukraine sinks Moskva

[Jim in CT]

best thumbnail in the history of the internet john. thanks for sharing.
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[JohnR]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

best thumbnail in the history of the internet john. thanks for sharing.
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I do not make the meme, I just steal them from elsewhere.

All kidding aside, this may be the largest naval loss of life since General Belgrano, and some information I am seeing it may exceed that.

The fact that Russia is disintegrating before us in a conventional sense makes it even more dangerous.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by JohnR

The fact that Russia is disintegrating before us in a conventional sense makes it even more dangerous.

that is a very, very crucial part of the calculus here. He may well not give a sh*t about anything, and may be much more dangerous if he feels he’s backed into a corner with nothing to lose, than he is right now.
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[JohnR]

Originally Posted by wdmso

I was. Wondering if Ukraine was pressing attacks while the Russians were re position I guess we know the answer and not even with British anti ship missiles

John’s concerns of the Russian response going off. The rails is correct and the same concerns of Nato .. they. The Russians just claimed Transportation in nato air space were legitimate targets.
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If RU shoots down NATO aircraft over NATO territory it is probably the switch getting flipped. NATO might be able to resist one downed aircraft, but two and everything changes. If NATO rail systems are attacked on NATO soil, then yes, it is on.

I saw video 2 days ago of older NATO equipment (not troops) being moved into UA via rail - but it was not confirmed.

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

that is a very, very crucial part of the calculus here. He may well not give a sh*t about anything, and may be much more dangerous if he feels he’s backed into a corner with nothing to lose, than he is right now.
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With Sweden saying yes to NATO membership (does not mean all NATO members will concur, and they have to) and Finland signalling they are leaning towards NATO, things might get more spicy yet still.