Staggering COVID-19 Statistic: 98% to 99% of Americans Dying are Unvaccinated

[Slipknot]

https://covid19updates.org/cdc-natur...ng-delta-wave/
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So they admit natural immunity is better yet mandates fir vaccine is acceptable by some of you people, nice.
I have heard people are being denied medical treatment if they have no gotten the shots, what kind of world do we live in? That mentality is just plain evil.

I bring this stuff up to you guys because I care about all humans. Pay attention

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Slipknot

https://covid19updates.org/cdc-natur...ng-delta-wave/
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So they admit natural immunity is better yet mandates fir vaccine is acceptable by some of you people, nice.
I have heard people are being denied medical treatment if they have no gotten the shots, what kind of world do we live in? That mentality is just plain evil.

I bring this stuff up to you guys because I care about all humans. Pay attention

keep doing it and ignore the flak.

the entire media ignored John’s Hopkins study that lockdowns were useless, and they don’t want to talk about natural immunity.
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[Slipknot]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

keep doing it and ignore the flak.

the entire media ignored John’s Hopkins study that lockdowns were useless, and they don’t want to talk about natural immunity.
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correct Jim, and now the results show nothing gained from lockdowns, I do understand in the beginning 2 weeks were needed to keep hospitals from being inundated but we got past that. There should be no need to mandate vaccines to the point of people having to make a choice between earning a living wage or to risk the cure being worse than the disease. There are plenty of examples of people who got way sicker or died from getting the vaccines, if people like some on this site deny that then it is quite obvious who they listen to. How can anyone question why someone chooses not to get an experimental vaccine and not understand their trepidation?

as far as ignoring the flak, only way I see certain flak is when you quote him. been years since I listen to the spew from someone of that caliber pun intended

[Got Stripers]

Originally Posted by Slipknot

correct Jim, and now the results show nothing gained from lockdowns, I do understand in the beginning 2 weeks were needed to keep hospitals from being inundated but we got past that. There should be no need to mandate vaccines to the point of people having to make a choice between earning a living wage or to risk the cure being worse than the disease. There are plenty of examples of people who got way sicker or died from getting the vaccines, if people like some on this site deny that then it is quite obvious who they listen to. How can anyone question why someone chooses not to get an experimental vaccine and not understand their trepidation?

as far as ignoring the flak, only way I see certain flak is when you quote him. been years since I listen to the spew from someone of that caliber pun intended

Really where do you get your facts? The vaccine is FDA approved, it’s far from some experimental drug and “plenty” of examples of people getting really sick and dying, the percentage of serious health issues or deaths from the vaccine is minuscule when you factor in the millions who have been vaccinated. Over 900,000 dead and that’s with the high vaccination numbers we have now, records indicate the unvaccinated are ten times likely to die of Covid. If we didn’t have the ability to come up with this vaccine, what death toll are you comfortable with to get to that herd immunity, would that be 1-2 million and how many much more deadly variants might have developed along the way?

[scottw]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

Really where do you get your facts? The vaccine is FDA approved

"One of the most significant ways the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) regulates drug safety is through recalls. When an approved drug is later found to have significant health risks or potential for harm, the FDA is obligated to take action to protect public health. "

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by scottw

"One of the most significant ways the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) regulates drug safety is through recalls. When an approved drug is later found to have significant health risks or potential for harm, the FDA is obligated to take action to protect public health. "

where do you get your facts?
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[Got Stripers]

Originally Posted by scottw

"One of the most significant ways the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) regulates drug safety is through recalls. When an approved drug is later found to have significant health risks or potential for harm, the FDA is obligated to take action to protect public health. "

Thanks #^&#^&#^&#^& Tracy, are you in the loop are they recalling the vaccine, please impress us once more.
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

records indicate the unvaccinated are ten times likely to die of Covid.

this is a misleading statement...

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by Slipknot

https://covid19updates.org/cdc-natur...ng-delta-wave/
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So they admit natural immunity is better yet mandates fir vaccine is acceptable by some of you people, nice.
I have heard people are being denied medical treatment if they have no gotten the shots, what kind of world do we live in? That mentality is just plain evil.

I bring this stuff up to you guys because I care about all humans. Pay attention

Bruce, People have completely lost their minds over this. I have a friend who actually thinks it would be acceptable to turn someone away from an emergency room if they’re not vaccinated. My jaw hit the floor on that one.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

Bruce, People have completely lost their minds over this. I have a friend who actually thinks it would be acceptable to turn someone away from an emergency room if they’re not vaccinated. My jaw hit the floor on that one.
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i’d be genuinely interested to hear your take on this.

i have a sister in law,,my brothers wife. for whatever reason, her immune system is vulnerable to covid.

She caught covid early on, head it bad, was in the hospital for 8 days. Not long after, they tested her for antibodies, she had none. Not a good sign.

She got her first vaccine dose, got very very sick, spent two days in the hospital. Again, they tested her after, she had no antibodies. Her body just doesn’t like to keep the antibodies. she was an ER nurse at Yale, she had to retire, was too dangerous, she was too vulnerable to covid and too likely to have a severe case if infected.

Couple of months ago, she caught covid again. They wanted her to get on a course of monoclonal antibodies, but none were available. Their entire stock was being dispensed to a couple dozen patients who were also very sick, and every single one of them was unvaccinated

She was again hospitalized for about a week, until monoclonal
antibodies were available. As soon a she’s started that treatment, she recovered very very quickly.

Now, if those patients all had gotten the vaccine, it’s virtually certain that some of them would not have required hospitalization, therefore there’d have been monoclonal antibodies available for my sister in law. she could have died while
waiting.

i would never ever say the unvaccinated don’t deserve medical treatment. But when i hear the unvaccinated say “ my choice is none of your business”, well, i think of my sister in law, and it’s pretty certain that their choice had a serious and negative impact on her.

anyway, you know that i consider you one of the fair and middle of the road guys here. i’d be curious to know what you think, and don’t worry about disagreeing with me, i have thick skin and i initiated this.
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[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

i’d be genuinely interested to hear your take on this.

i have a sister in law,,my brothers wife. for whatever reason, her immune system is vulnerable to covid.

She caught covid early on, head it bad, was in the hospital for 8 days. Not long after, they tested her for antibodies, she had none. Not a good sign.

She got her first vaccine dose, got very very sick, spent two days in the hospital. Again, they tested her after, she had no antibodies. Her body just doesn’t like to keep the antibodies. she was an ER nurse at Yale, she had to retire, was too dangerous, she was too vulnerable to covid and too likely to have a severe case if infected.

Couple of months ago, she caught covid again. They wanted her to get on a course of monoclonal antibodies, but none were available. Their entire stock was being dispensed to a couple dozen patients who were also very sick, and every single one of them was unvaccinated

She was again hospitalized for about a week, until monoclonal
antibodies were available. As soon a she’s started that treatment, she recovered very very quickly.

Now, if those patients all had gotten the vaccine, it’s virtually certain that some of them would not have required hospitalization, therefore there’d have been monoclonal antibodies available for my sister in law. she could have died while
waiting.

i would never ever say the unvaccinated don’t deserve medical treatment. But when i hear the unvaccinated say “ my choice is none of your business”, well, i think of my sister in law, and it’s pretty certain that their choice had a serious and negative impact on her.

anyway, you know that i consider you one of the fair and middle of the road guys here. i’d be curious to know what you think, and don’t worry about disagreeing with me, i have thick skin and i initiated this.
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I would say the issue is that they need to work on increasing the availability of monoclonal antibodies.

My biggest concern on my buddy’s take is that I don’t want people making a judgement call, at the point of emergency, on whether you deserve to have your life saved because of your vaccine status.

You save their life, period, that’s your job in the ER. After that, then issues can be addressed.

The guy that can’t get the heart transplant because of his refusal to get vaccinated, I feel bad for him and his family, but it’s a stupid stand to take. There are all kinds of medical requirements for organ transplants, if being vaccinated is one of them, so be it.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

I would say the issue is that they need to work on increasing the availability of monoclonal antibodies.

My biggest concern on my buddy’s take is that I don’t want people making a judgement call, at the point of emergency, on whether you deserve to have your life saved because of your vaccine status.

You save their life, period, that’s your job in the ER. After that, then issues can be addressed.

The guy that can’t get the heart transplant because of his refusal to get vaccinated, I feel bad for him and his family, but it’s a stupid stand to take. There are all kinds of medical requirements for organ transplants, if being vaccinated is one of them, so be it.
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absolutely they need to make them
more available.

and i agree with you about the guy who needs the trans a t but won’t get vaccinated. stupid.

thanks.
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[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

absolutely they need to make them
more available.

and i agree with you about the guy who needs the trans a t but won’t get vaccinated. stupid.

thanks.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

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[PaulS]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

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[Slipknot]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

Bruce, People have completely lost their minds over this. I have a friend who actually thinks it would be acceptable to turn someone away from an emergency room if they’re not vaccinated. My jaw hit the floor on that one.
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Yes Kevin they have. How can someone on the transplant list be taken off when they qualify in every way yet not vaccinated gets them removed? There is no logical explanation to do that to someone.
I lost a lot of respect for a friend who told me something similar to your friend. Something like if you don't get the vaccine and are sick and dying in the hospital maybe your god will save you, basically that vaccinated should be priority above the sub-humans that have a properly working immune system and made the choice that they don't want to be compromised by an experimental unproven(even though the money makers say it is safe)vaccine. You're gonna need an aluminum bowl not tinfoil to avoid the mind games going on with this pandemic.