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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Spoken like a true Trump supporter It’s odd you admit your your fondness of this former POTUS who was willing to overturn an election .. and you claim you support Originalism not sure how you square that circle

I get weary of ripping out the lying words you keep stuffing into my mouth. I supported Many of Trump's policies, not Trump as a person. I don't know Trump. Neither do you. Pundit opinions, political smears, media analysis, especially about controversial people are usually fraught with bias and lies--positive or negative. High tone intellectual sounding opinions in Salon, and The Atlantic, et. al. were easily seen through. There was a point, early on, when I began to like how he fought back against the continuing avalanche of manufactured accusations and how he exposed various political hypocrites, but that pretty much wore off as it became as sketchy and corrosive as the attacks against him.

I "support" him as a person only in how I support anyone who is falsely or unfairly accused--especially when it is meant to destroy him--and for the typical dirty political motive of gaining power.

You don't know me, nor do you believe what I say. So you make stuff up about what I think or am "fond" of. You rarely debate at any length what I say or what I link.

So you spout the narrative about "overthrowing" an election. The choice of word is a non-objective politically loaded accusation, not merely a neutral unbiased description. It's so embedded in your brain that it's not worth debating or discussing with you.

If you wish to point out what was unconstitutional, or unoriginal about what you consider Trump's attempt to "overthrow" the election, that could be an interesting discussion.

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by detbuch

I get weary of ripping out the lying words you keep stuffing into my mouth. I supported Many of Trump's policies, not Trump as a person. I don't know Trump. Neither do you. Pundit opinions, political smears, media analysis, especially about controversial people are usually fraught with bias and lies--positive or negative. High tone intellectual sounding opinions in Salon, and The Atlantic, et. al. were easily seen through. There was a point, early on, when I began to like how he fought back against the continuing avalanche of manufactured accusations and how he exposed various political hypocrites, but that pretty much wore off as it became as sketchy and corrosive as the attacks against him.

And I "support" him as a person only in how I support anyone who is falsely or unfairly accused--especially when it is meant to destroy him--and for the typical dirty political motive of gaining power.

You don't know me, nor do you believe what I say. So you make stuff up about what I think or am "fond" of. You rarely debate at any length what I say or what I link.

So you spout the narrative about "overthrowing" an election. The choice of word is a non-objective politically loaded accusation, not merely a neutral unbiased description. It's so embedded in your brain that it's not worth debating or discussing with you.



If you wish to point out what was unconstitutional, or unoriginal about what you consider Trump's attempt to "overthrow" the election, that could be an interesting discussion.

But You like other Trump supporters don’t get to separate Trumps deeds into convenient packages to excuse away his behaviors than claim he’s a poor victim or you like his policy’s. But your trying very hard .. this is not about knowing Trump personally it has no bearing on the conversation


I "support" him as a person only in how I support anyone who is falsely or unfairly accused--especially when it is meant to destroy him--and for the typical dirty political motive of gaining power.


So let me get this correct what happened on Jan 6th supported and encouraged by Trump and those around him

Yet You see people looking to hold Trump accountable. For Trumps actions and behaviors before during and after the elections and today as (non-objective politically loaded accusation)


But Trumps action do not raise to be classified as “typical dirty political motive of gaining power.”

Interesting

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

But You like other Trump supporters don’t get to separate Trumps deeds into convenient packages to excuse away his behaviors than claim he’s a poor victim or you like his policy’s.

Why don't we get to do that?

It's exactly what democrats do with Bill Clinton, Hilary Clinton, and Biden.

But as always, it's OK when you do it, only problematic when we do it.

My God, when Bill Clinton was president, all I ever heard from the left was "ignore his moral lapses, his policies are what matters as president". And I agreed with that, and still do.

Can you be consistent for three seconds?

Who here is excusing his behavior? His personal behavior is inexcusable. But his policies, well they worked. I know you don't like to have to think about this, but a record-number of Americans said they were better off after 4 years of Trump. Gallup does that poll every 4 years, and never before in the history of that poll, have more Americans said they were better off after 4 years of a president, I think it was 56% or 58% who said they were better off. And that was at a bad time on the pandemic.

What does that poll mean to you? I'm curious to know.