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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by wdmso

What do I post that was a lie ?

You claimed that Navarro wanted to let us to know that "they [Navarro et. al.] only intended to overthrow the government". That is not at all what Navarro wanted to let us know. He wanted to let us know about their plan that could help us know about an attempt (not by Navarro et. al.) to overthrow the government. The government, at the time, was headed by the Trump Administration which was legally, constitutionally, in power until Jan. 21. Their plan was not to overthrow the Trump Administration, but to protect the U.S. government from being illegally subverted, thus "overthrown" by substantial voting fraud. He absolutely believed there was such fraud and thought that he had proof of that fraud.

Keep spinning your wheels that nothing happened

I explained what happened. You lied about it.

the tragedy of Jan. 6 is not just the assault of that day and the lies that produced it, but what it signals for days to come. As our first president warned when explaining his intention to relinquish the office, “cunning, ambitious and unprincipled men will be enabled to subvert the Power of the People, and to usurp for themselves the reins of Government; destroying afterwards the very engines which have lifted them to unjust dominion.”
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I am very familiar with that quote by Washington. I've used it in the past. And I firmly believe that it forewarned of what various men have tried to do, and most successfully so by the Progressives who thought the constitutional system, the "very engines" that Washington helped to bring about, were an impediment to the unlimited system of administrative government they have to a great extent established--just a few more judges and a few more elections away from finishing the job.

Trump, as flawed as he is, was a temporary setback to their vision of how this country should be governed. Which is why even the Progressive lite "Conservatives" who were being exposed by him wanted him gone as much as the Dems did. Even Pete F, who nods toward the Constitution occasionally, and quotes some Founders every now and then, actually wants the growth of central ruling power which is anathema to the limitation by which the Constitution shackles government and to the separation of powers it provides.

As well, the various unconstitutional administrative agencies that are beneficiaries of the growing centralized power, especially including the security agencies, also wanted Trump gone as he was the greatest threat to them since Reagan and especially so since Kennedy who was a direct threat to the CIA before he was assassinated.

As well, the removal of Trump and maintenance of the growing central government power was preferred by most of the crony capital corporations who benefit by cooperation with, and even capture of, the administrative state and the thousands upon thousands of regulations it imposes on commerce that help eliminate smaller businesses to the advantage of large ones, which then progressively get larger by internal growth and the merging into centralized corporations. This includes most media corps.

As well, anti-Trumpism was promoted by an academia that once had been comprised of and run by those steeped in fields of knowledge who had a fervor for teaching their learning to students who hungered for it, but now had grown into corporate like organizations whose mission is more the gaining of money than the imparting of knowledge. And is run and guided by "administrators" who are expert, not in fields of academic knowledge, but in recruiting and finding financial resources which include continuous funding by government whose subsidization of tuition creates artificially high demand for college degrees which is an excuse for raising tuition prices. Which pours more money into the coffers of administrative academe and solidifies its symbiotic relationship with government and guaranties its compliance with government demands regarding the what, who, and how to educate, including the various norms that government wants to be indoctrinated.

So now even the original Progressive notion of government being basically unchained and with the unlimited power to do whatever it decides will be its version of benefit for the people is being corrupted into the fascistic centralized corporate State.

And people wonder why, in spite of all the really good sounding rhetoric of Progressive politicians, the "income gap" continuously expands and the number of small businesses keeps shrinking.

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by detbuch

I am very familiar with that quote by Washington. I've used it in the past. And I firmly believe that it forewarned of what various men have tried to do, and most successfully so by the Progressives who thought the constitutional system, the "very engines" that Washington helped to bring about, were an impediment to the unlimited system of administrative government they have to a great extent established--just a few more judges and a few more elections away from finishing the job.

Trump, as flawed as he is, was a temporary setback to their vision of how this country should be governed. Which is why even the Progressive lite "Conservatives" who were being exposed by him wanted him gone as much as the Dems did. Even Pete F, who nods toward the Constitution occasionally, and quotes some Founders every now and then, actually wants the growth of central ruling power which is anathema to the limitation by which the Constitution shackles government and to the separation of powers it provides.

As well, the various unconstitutional administrative agencies that are beneficiaries of the growing centralized power, especially including the security agencies, also wanted Trump gone as he was the greatest threat to them since Reagan.

As well, the removal of Trump and maintenance of the growing central government power was preferred by most of the crony capital corporations who benefit by cooperation with, and even capture of, the administrative state and the thousands upon thousands of regulations it imposes on commerce that help eliminate smaller businesses to the advantage of large ones, which then progressively get larger by internal growth and the merging into centralized corporations. This includes most media corps.

As well, anti-Trumpism was promoted by an academia that once had been comprised of and run by those steeped in fields of knowledge who had a fervor for teaching their learning to students who hungered for it, but now had grown into corporate like organizations whose mission is more the gaining of money than the imparting of knowledge. And is run and guided by "administrators" who are expert, not in fields of academic knowledge, but in recruiting and finding financial resources which include continuous funding by government whose subsidization of tuition creates artificially high demand for college degrees which is an excuse for raising tuition prices. Which pours more money into the coffers of administrative academe and solidifies its symbiotic relationship with government and guaranties its compliance with government demands regarding the what, who, and how to educate, including the various norms that government wants to be indoctrinated.

So now even the original Progressive notion of government being basically unchained and with the unlimited power to do whatever it decides will be its version of benefit for the people is being corrupted into the fascistic centralized corporate State.

And people wonder why, in spite of all the really good sounding rhetoric of Progressive politicians, the "income gap" continuously expands and the number of small businesses keeps shrinking.

Trumpism was promoted by an academia


And there it is in a nutshell
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Trumpism was promoted by an academia


And there it is in a nutshell


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this is gold....

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by scottw

this is gold....

no arguing with that.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by scottw

this is gold....

you’re making a false equivalence between his original
post, and your exact quote of it. false equivalence.
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

you’re making a false equivalence between his original
post, and your exact quote of it. false equivalence.
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Maybe wdmso found a needle in a haystack.

[wdmso]

Then last fall, the University of Virginia Center for Politics released a poll finding that a majority of people who had voted to reelect former President Donald Trump in 2020 now wanted their state to secede from the Union.

here is more gold for Ya..

I guess this was also promoted and caused by academia

you guys are running out of people to Blame for Trump Behavior and his attacks on our democracy...

watch out for Mirrors! you may actual see someone from that Poll

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Then last fall, the University of Virginia Center for Politics released a poll finding that a majority of people who had voted to reelect former President Donald Trump in 2020 now wanted their state to secede from the Union.

here is more gold for Ya..

I guess this was also promoted and caused by academia

you guys are running out of people to Blame for Trump Behavior and his attacks on our democracy...

watch out for Mirrors! you may actual see someone from that Poll

Are you saying that polls are propaganda?

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by scottw

this is gold....

guess you think that was my line sorry to disappoint

its another one of detbuch Manifesto's

anti-Trumpism was promoted by an academia that once had been comprised of and run by those steeped in fields of knowledge who had a fervor for teaching their learning to students who hungered for it, but now had grown into corporate like organizations whose mission is more the gaining of money than the imparting of knowledge. And is run and guided by "administrators" who are expert, not in fields of academic knowledge, but in recruiting and finding financial resources which include continuous funding by government whose subsidization of tuition creates artificially high demand for college degrees which is an excuse for raising tuition prices. Which pours more money into the coffers of administrative academe and solidifies its symbiotic relationship with government and guaranties its compliance with government demands regarding the what, who, and how to educate, including the various norms that government wants to be indoctrinated.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

guess you think that was my line sorry to disappoint

its another one of detbuch Manifesto's

anti-Trumpism was promoted by an academia that once had been comprised of and run by those steeped in fields of knowledge who had a fervor for teaching their learning to students who hungered for it, but now had grown into corporate like organizations whose mission is more the gaining of money than the imparting of knowledge. And is run and guided by "administrators" who are expert, not in fields of academic knowledge, but in recruiting and finding financial resources which include continuous funding by government whose subsidization of tuition creates artificially high demand for college degrees which is an excuse for raising tuition prices. Which pours more money into the coffers of administrative academe and solidifies its symbiotic relationship with government and guaranties its compliance with government demands regarding the what, who, and how to educate, including the various norms that government wants to be indoctrinated.

You left out the "anti" part, which changed things a lot.

Detbuch said anti Trumpism was promoted by academia, you said trumpism was promoted in academia. So you actually posted the exact opposite of what Detbuch said.

Just a typo, I make TONS of typos and you don't, so no biggie, but it was funny. Lighten up man!

Wayne, do you deny that academia has a serious left wing bias? Are you seriously going to deny that?

[scottw]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Lighten up man!

always misses the context...

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by scottw

always misses the context...

it’s sort of a liberal requirement that one have no sense of humor, especially about one’s self.

the laughs are all on our side.
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[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

You left out the "anti" part, which changed things a lot.

Detbuch said anti Trumpism was promoted by academia, you said trumpism was promoted in academia. So you actually posted the exact opposite of what Detbuch said.

Just a typo, I make TONS of typos and you don't, so no biggie, but it was funny. Lighten up man!

Wayne, do you deny that academia has a serious left wing bias? Are you seriously going to deny that?

What’s funny is neither of you had even read Detbuch post to start with….

And the right has been attacking academia

Why conservatives hate college
The right's decades-long war on academia and "liberal professors" is about defining an elite "populists" can oppose


At the beginning of the 2010s, 58 percent of Republicans believed that colleges and universities had a positive impact on the course of the country, according to the Pew Research Center. As the decade nears its close, that number has fallen precipitously: It now sits at 33 percent, with the majority of the drop occurring from 2015 to 2017.

The biggest drop 2015 to 2017

Shocking fits Trump and the MAGA movement time line
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

What’s funny is neither of you had even read Detbuch post to start with….

And the right has been attacking academia

Why conservatives hate college
The right's decades-long war on academia and "liberal professors" is about defining an elite "populists" can oppose


At the beginning of the 2010s, 58 percent of Republicans believed that colleges and universities had a positive impact on the course of the country, according to the Pew Research Center. As the decade nears its close, that number has fallen precipitously: It now sits at 33 percent, with the majority of the drop occurring from 2015 to 2017.

The biggest drop 2015 to 2017

Shocking fits Trump and the MAGA movement time line
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For the second time, is there a significant left-wing bias in academia, yes or no?

Almost seems like you're avoiding that question for a specific reason.

College, in terms of being required for all kids, is over-rated, getting more so. I spent time at Tufts (elite school), Southern CT State University (not a good school), and UCONN (OK school when I was there). I saw the whole spectrum. I wasn't extremely impressed with any of it.

It's wasn't really about getting educated even when I was there, and education is far less important today. It's an ungodly money suck, and a system to indoctrinate kids with liberalism, to help produce the next generation of liberal zombies, who can't think for themselves, and for damn sure have zero ability to defend their beliefs with any cogent thought whatsoever. To produce kids who will say "the 55% of blacks who aren't vaccinated...must be Republican!", even though nowhere near that many blacks are republican. But they'll say it anyway, because it serves their master.

It's designed to produce kids who shriek "liberalism is great!", then they stick their fingers in their ears and yell "la la la la!" so they can't hear any opposing viewpoint.

The radical conservative extreme, that college has no value, is equally false and stupid. But college is nowhere near what it's supposed to be.

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by wdmso

The biggest drop 2015 to 2017

Shocking fits Trump and the MAGA movement time line

The Trump phenomenon exposed a lot of the BS that had crept into our institutions and culture. The pushback against that was extreme which even more delineated how far we had been transformed, and the direction we were heading--and is on track again now that Trump is gone and the left is back in power.