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01-06-2022, 04:33 PM
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God, Jim's ignorance is profound today.
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01-06-2022, 04:34 PM
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God, Jim's ignorance is profound today.
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post the most ignorant thing i’ve said, please, madam.
lobbing baseless insults is your way of conceding defeat.
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01-06-2022, 04:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT
post the most ignorant thing i’ve said, please, madam.
lobbing baseless insults is your way of conceding defeat.
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We can start with your claim that Democrats did the same thing in 2016. During that certification a total of 7 electors were faithless. 5 (count 'em FIVE Jim) didn't pledge for HILLARY CLINTON when they should have. The other two were Red states that pledged to other Republican candidates.
The Dems didn't ask anyone to overthrow the election. Even if all 7 were for Trump it wouldn't have made any difference.
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01-06-2022, 05:14 PM
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Originally Posted by spence
We can start with your claim that Democrats did the same thing in 2016. During that certification a total of 7 electors were faithless. 5 (count 'em FIVE Jim) didn't pledge for HILLARY CLINTON when they should have. The other two were Red states that pledged to other Republican candidates.
The Dems didn't ask anyone to overthrow the election. Even if all 7 were for Trump it wouldn't have made any difference.
You are completely and verifiably wrong.
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After the 2016 election, the democrats did three separate things.
(1) they said Trump won because of Russian interference
(2) they asked electors to cast their votes for someone other than Trump
(3) a small number of democrats in congress formally objected to the electoral vote in multiple states.
They didn't use identical tactics that Trump did. But they (a small number of them) tried to get the electors to not vote for Trump, they tried to tell America that the election wasn't free and fair. At some high level, that's similar to what Trump did.
No two things are identical. There will always be some differences.
"The Dems didn't ask anyone to overthrow the election."
Demonstrably false. After the 2016 election, a small number of democrats in the house tried to do exactly that. It never had a chance of succeeding (neither did the republican efforts of 1/6), but that's precisely what they tried to do.
https://www.politico.com/story/2017/...allenge-233294
In 2020, 174 house republicans voted to object to the results in PA and/or AZ.
Do the electoral math. Even if the house GOP switched the electoral votes for both PA and AZ to Trump, Trump still loses.
Your defense of the democrats actions in 2016, are based in part on the fact that they could not have changed the results. I'd love to hear you explain why that doesn't apply to what the house republicans did. They also were mathematically guaranteed to be short of overturning the election.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...objectors.html
"Even if all 7 were for Trump it wouldn't have made any difference."
Even if the house republicans managed to convert PA and AZ electors to Trump, it wouldn't have made any difference. That's me, using your same exact logic.
Looks like Biden won 306 to 232. AZ has 11 electoral votes, PA has 20. Thats 31 electoral votes that the GOP questioned, and that's if you assume that all of them challenged both AZ and PA, which they didn't, some challenged one or the other. According to my math, what the house GOP did, could not possibly have changed the outcome. Best case for the GOP was Biden winning 275 to 263.
Long after the 2016 election, many many democrats referred to Trump as the "illegitimate president".
It's always OK whenever the left does anything.
You and Sean Hannity, separated at birth. Two thoughtless lemmings.
You are dismissing what the democrats did, because it had no chance of actually overturning the election. But you won't apply that logic to what the GOP did. You played favorites by party.
Destroyed by math.
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01-06-2022, 05:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT
They didn't use identical tactics that Trump did. But they (a small number of them) tried to get the electors to not vote for Trump, they tried to tell America that the election wasn't free and fair. At some high level, that's similar to what Trump did.
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The electors were supposed to be supporting Clinton and didn't. You have it backwards. Pay attention...as for Russia, they likely did heavily influence the election. |
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01-06-2022, 05:26 PM
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The electors were supposed to be supporting Clinton and didn't. Pay attention...as for Russia, they likely did heavily influence the election.
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You pay attention...I'm not talking about what the electors did...I'm talking about what democrats asked them to do.
What the electors did, and what democrats asked them to do, wwre two very different things.
Democrats did two separate and distinct things, in an effort to overturn the election. That their efforts ultimately failed, doesn't mean that's not what they were trying to do.
(1) they asked electors to not vote for the winner of the election (Trump). This necessarily means they were asking the electors to change the outcome of the election.
(2) house democrats challenged the election results in some states, in fact they challenged more states than the two states they GOP challenged in 2020.
From wikipedia...
"The faithless electors who opposed Donald Trump were part of a movement dubbed the Hamilton Electors co-founded by Micheal Baca of Colorado and Bret Chiafalo of Washington. The movement attempted to find 37 Republican electors willing to vote for a different Republican in an effort to deny Donald Trump a majority in the Electoral College and force a contingent election in the House of Representatives"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faithl...ntial_election |
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01-06-2022, 06:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT
From wikipedia...
"The faithless electors who opposed Donald Trump were part of a movement dubbed the Hamilton Electors co-founded by Micheal Baca of Colorado and Bret Chiafalo of Washington. The movement attempted to find 37 Republican electors willing to vote for a different Republican in an effort to deny Donald Trump a majority in the Electoral College and force a contingent election in the House of Representatives"
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Per your on wiki, they wanted to get a different Republican elected. My god… |
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01-06-2022, 09:59 PM
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Originally Posted by spence
...as for Russia, they likely did heavily influence the election.
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not they didn't...... |
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01-06-2022, 06:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT
After the 2016 election, the democrats did three separate things.
(1) they said Trump won because of Russian interference
(2) they asked electors to cast their votes for someone other than Trump
(3) a small number of democrats in congress formally objected to the electoral vote in multiple states.
They didn't use identical tactics that Trump did. But they (a small number of them) tried to get the electors to not vote for Trump, they tried to tell America that the election wasn't free and fair. At some high level, that's similar to what Trump did.
No two things are identical. There will always be some differences.
"The Dems didn't ask anyone to overthrow the election."
Demonstrably false. After the 2016 election, a small number of democrats in the house tried to do exactly that. It never had a chance of succeeding (neither did the republican efforts of 1/6), but that's precisely what they tried to do.
https://www.politico.com/story/2017/...allenge-233294
In 2020, 174 house republicans voted to object to the results in PA and/or AZ.
Do the electoral math. Even if the house GOP switched the electoral votes for both PA and AZ to Trump, Trump still loses.
Your defense of the democrats actions in 2016, are based in part on the fact that they could not have changed the results. I'd love to hear you explain why that doesn't apply to what the house republicans did. They also were mathematically guaranteed to be short of overturning the election.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...objectors.html
"Even if all 7 were for Trump it wouldn't have made any difference."
Even if the house republicans managed to convert PA and AZ electors to Trump, it wouldn't have made any difference. That's me, using your same exact logic.
Looks like Biden won 306 to 232. AZ has 11 electoral votes, PA has 20. Thats 31 electoral votes that the GOP questioned, and that's if you assume that all of them challenged both AZ and PA, which they didn't, some challenged one or the other. According to my math, what the house GOP did, could not possibly have changed the outcome. Best case for the GOP was Biden winning 275 to 263.
Long after the 2016 election, many many democrats referred to Trump as the "illegitimate president".
It's always OK whenever the left does anything.
You and Sean Hannity, separated at birth. Two thoughtless lemmings.
You are dismissing what the democrats did, because it had no chance of actually overturning the election. But you won't apply that logic to what the GOP did. You played favorites by party.
Destroyed by math.
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GOP officials in Maricopa County released a 93-page report rebutting point-by-point claims of election fraud championed by Trump and his allies.
Arizona's election audit was mostly financed by organizations tied to Mike Flynn, who urged Trump to use the military to stay in office. The who ran it huddled with Flynn and others at Lin Wood's house in Nov. 2020 to work on election-overturning efforts.
Remember Mike Flynn doesn't even know how to carve a Turkey, but he knows how to get 400K from Turkey.
Grifters the lot of them
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01-06-2022, 05:21 PM
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Originally Posted by spence
The Dems didn't ask anyone to overthrow the election. .
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Here's one of many stories reporting on democrats, after the 2016 election, urging electors not to vote for Trump.
https://www.politico.com/story/2016/...college-232635
Spence, Trump won the election. So please tell me how urging electors to not vote for the winner, isn't asking them to overthrow the election? |
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01-06-2022, 05:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT
Here's one of many stories reporting on democrats, after the 2016 election, urging electors not to vote for Trump.
https://www.politico.com/story/2016/...college-232635
Spence, Trump won the election. So please tell me how urging electors to not vote for the winner, isn't asking them to overthrow the election? |
A single nobody anti-Trump activist does not mean that "the Democrats" are doing the same thing. |
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01-06-2022, 05:30 PM
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The next MAGA snake speaks who was a
Harvard-trained lawyer and officer who served as a prosecutor, defense attorney, international law attorney and a Judge Advocate General’s Corps Officer.
Seem he forgot his own past
Gov. Ron DeSantis on Thursday condemned the commemoration of the violent Jan. 6 Capitol riots as a way for Democrats and the news media to “smear” supporters of former President Donald Trump.
DeSantis, an ally of the former president who has refused to answer questions on whether he supports Trump’s baseless claims that the 2020 election was rigged,
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01-06-2022, 06:51 PM
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A single nobody anti-Trump activist does not mean that "the Democrats" are doing the same thing.
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dismissive of the democrats attempt to overturn the election.
we’re all shocked you took that position.
everything is ok when liberals do it!
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