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[Pete F.]

I posted this in April of 2020

How a different democracy did not wait 70 days, but acted immediately, with urgency, direction and achieved different results.

SEOUL - In late January, South Korean health officials summoned representatives from more than 20 medical companies from their lunar New Year celebrations to a conference room tucked inside Seoul’s busy train station.

One of the country’s top infectious disease officials delivered an urgent message: South Korea needed an effective test immediately to detect the novel coronavirus, then running rampant in China. He promised the companies swift regulatory approval.

Though there were only four known cases in South Korea at that point, “we were very nervous. We believed that it could develop into a pandemic,” one attendee, Lee Sang-won, an infectious diseases expert at the Korea Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, told Reuters.

“We acted like an army,” he said.

A week after the Jan. 27 meeting, South Korea’s CDC approved one company’s diagnostic test. Another company soon followed. By the end of February, South Korea was making headlines around the world for its drive-through screening centers and ability to test thousands of people daily.

South Korea’s swift action stands in stark contrast to what has transpired in the United States. Seven weeks after the train station meeting, the Koreans have tested well over 290,000 people and identified over 8,000 infections. New cases are falling off: Ninety-three were reported Wednesday, down from a daily peak of 909 two weeks earlier.

The United States, whose first case was detected the same day as South Korea’s, is not even close to meeting demand for testing. About 60,000 tests have been run by public and private labs in a country of 330 million, federal officials said Tuesday.

As a result, U.S. officials don’t fully grasp how many Americans have been infected and where they are concentrated - crucial to containment efforts. While more than 7,000 U.S. cases had been identified as of Wednesday, as many as 96 million people could be infected in coming months, and 480,000 could die, according to a projection prepared for the American Hospital Association by Dr. James Lawler, an infectious disease expert at the University of Nebraska Medical Center.

How the United States fell so far behind South Korea, according to infectious disease experts, clinicians and state and local officials, is a tale of many contrasts in the two nations’ public health systems: a streamlined bureaucracy versus a congested one, bold versus cautious leadership, and a sense of urgency versus a reliance on protocol.

The delayed and chaotic testing in the United States will cost lives, potentially including those of doctors and nurses, many medical experts predict. Already more than 100 people have died overall, and fears of rampant spread have led to extraordinary restrictions on social interaction, upending the U.S. economy, schools, hospitals and everyday life.

The administration of President Donald Trump was tripped up by government rules and conventions, former officials and public health experts say. Instead of drafting the private sector early on to develop tests, as South Korea did, U.S. health officials relied, as is customary, on test kits prepared by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, some of which proved faulty. Then, sticking to its time-consuming vetting procedures, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration didn’t approve tests other than the CDC’s until Feb. 29, more than five weeks after discussions with outside labs had begun.

Meanwhile, in the absence of enough kits, the CDC insisted for weeks on narrow criteria for testing, recommending it only when a person had recently been to China or other hot spots or had contact with someone known to be infected. As a result, the federal government failed to screen an untold number of Americans and missed opportunities to contain the spread, clinicians and public health experts say.

South Korea took a risk, releasing briskly vetted tests, then circling back later to spot check their effectiveness. By contrast, the United States’ FDA said it wanted to ensure, upfront, that the tests were accurate before they went out to millions of Americans.

Meanwhile, nobody in this administration can tell what the plan is beyond having a daily Trump Rally.

Now go ahead and spout the gaslighting baloney that you have bought into about how proactive this administration was regarding anything to do with Covid-19.

Because there is no path to rebuilding the American economy and protecting people from this virus at the current level of testing. And that’s why the lies about tests will be the alpha and omega of Trump’s slow, disastrous response.

[wdmso]

Simple quest Jim did Trump and Biden have the same starting point with Covid y or n

2nd question do you understand how many people were already in the Covid pipe line sick or hospitalized on Jan 6th well on Jan 10 US totals were 208,295 new daily cases. And January has surpassed December as the deadliest month of the coronavirus pandemic in the U.S. so far. in December, when over 77,400 people Died January 79,200

It makes total sense Biden takes office on the 20th and it’s his fault January 2021 the deadliest for Covid Ya ok. Then cases fall off until August then Delta shows up and hits the unvaccinated and we see a spike ,,, by then U.S. administers 386.8 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines - CDC
And yet the 1st dose of vaccine was given out Dec 14 days so clearly the administration is trying to vaccinate the country


385,348 COVID-19 deaths — that means 15 more than the 2020 total. Omg this is the bases of your claim Trump did better based on 15 lives
Wow Trump supporters

but seeing Trump was in charge until the 20th of Jan we should give him an additional 78 thousand deaths it’s only fair he gets the credit.. seeing conservatives are keeping score

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Simple quest Jim did Trump and Biden have the same starting point with Covid y or n


2nd question do you understand how many people were already in the Covid pipe line sick or hospitalized on Jan 6th well on Jan 10 US totals were 208,295 new daily cases. And January has surpassed December as the deadliest month of the coronavirus pandemic in the U.S. so far. in December, when over 77,400 people Died January 79,200

It makes total sense Biden takes office on the 20th and it’s his fault January 2021 the deadliest for Covid Ya ok. Then cases fall off until August then Delta shows up and hits the unvaccinated and we see a spike ,,, by then U.S. administers 386.8 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines - CDC
And yet the 1st dose of vaccine was given out Dec 14 days so clearly the administration is trying to vaccinate the country


385,348 COVID-19 deaths — that means 15 more than the 2020 total. Omg this is the bases of your claim Trump did better based on 15 lives
Wow Trump supporters

"Simple quest Jim did Trump and Biden have the same starting point with Covid y or n "

N.

Biden had some challenges dumped in hos lap that weren't his fault at all, like the number of sick people that he inherited, the mutations, etc.

Biden also had some distinct advantages over Trump. No one on the planet was prepared for covid in 2020. Biden benefits form the knowledge and experience we gained in that year, and he inherited a well-working infastructure for testing and vaccines.

"It makes total sense Biden takes office on the 20th and it’s his fault January 2021 the deadliest for Covid"

Fair enough. Remove January and February 2021 from the equation. Tell me, in your opinion, when does he start owning the results? Ever? When are they "his" results? Your answer will be, "when the results are awesome".

"And yet the 1st dose of vaccine was given out Dec 14 days so clearly the administration is trying to vaccinate the country "

Trump administration was vaccinating a million people a day, Trump is telling people to get vaccinated, so clearly the previous administration was also trying to get people vaccinated. Shocking you left that fact out.

"that means 15 more than the 2020 total. "
December isn't over yet, this is one of the worst months. And for the tenth time, Trump didn't have time (plus the fact that the most vulnerable have probably already died, we should be left with a healthier population) to vaccinate half the country. That alone, you'd think would drastically reduce deaths. But they haven't.

Half the country is vaccinated, and deaths are increasing.