so much for Biden’s plan to defeat Covid

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Was Kyle hunting people?

A piece by Kurt Eichenwald

"Recently, I gave a deep dive why - based on the law & evidence presented at trial - the Rittenhouse verdict was correct, even though he's a miserable punk & the GOP celebration is obscene. Today, a new point: the case shows why open carry laws are a threat to this country as I wrote in the last thread, all that mattered in reaching the verdict was Rittenhouse's state of mind: did he believe he was in imminent threat of bodily harm. That's the law. The evidence supported his belief of that was reasonable. However, it *also* supported that his victims - Rosenbaum, Huber and Grosskreutz - could believe *Rittenhouse* posed an imminent threat of bodily harm *to them.* Eliminate Rosenbaum, because his case is more complex. No doubt, Huber & Grosskreutz were reasonable in seeing Rittenhouse as an active shooter because, in fact, that is what he was. Rittenhouse's belief that he was in imminent threat did not change the fact that Huber and Grosskreutz looked at a guy firing a gun at people and concluded that he was randomly killing people. Huber hitting him with the skateboard is not only reasonable, it is exceptionally brave. Grosskreutz, the survivor, testified he thought Rittenhouse was an active shooter and pointed a gun he was carrying at him, but was shot before he could shoot.

So *no one* thought they were committing a crime. They *all*were acting in self-defense. Yet it was Rittenhouse who lit the match by bringing an assault rifle with a bunch of thugs to a protest, and being allowed to stay there as an adjunct to law enforcement. But Rittenhouse had not committed a crime in doing so: Open carry with any type of legal gun is legal there. So, an assault rifle, marching down the street? The law says nothing.

There are only 2 reasons to open carry an assault rifle: to intimidate members of the public and to hunt people. In fact, even open-carrying a handgun is asinine the idea started with "it's good to be armed to defend yourself against a shooter." But of course, if you're eating at Luby's, and an active shooter comes in & sees you with a gun, you're the first one he'll shoot. It's those with *concealed* guns that offer protection *because* it was open carry, was the beginning, middle, end of this entire tragedy. And the GOPrs who are celebrating this are declaring that brave people who confront who they believe is an active shooter are scum if they have the "wrong" politics.
Those people should not have been there at all. But suppose their motives were pure, and they all had guns legally, and they were all there with concealed carry. What did they lose? The ability to act like tough guys. The ability to intimidate. And the likelihood that the gun would create a scenario where everyone can be shot, and no one committed a crime.

Many people object to concealed carry. If a state has carry laws, I prefer concealed. Open carry is an invitation to reckless faux tough-guys who think intimidating the unarmed makes them masculine, the Rittenhouse shooting is a tragedy in a lot of different ways. But don't miss where the focus should be: On the laws that allowed this to happen. And never forgive GOPrs who spit on those who tried to stop who they believed was an active shooter, simply because these GOPrs don't like the politics of the victims. Laughing about the death of those who believed they were risking their lives for others is sociopathic."

There's a glaring problem, among the other glowing embers of problems, with this article. There were dozens of other open gun carriers branding their rifles milling in the crowd, even in the vicinity of Rittenhouse. Rittenhouse was the only one that was attacked. He used his gun to defend himself from Rosenbaum. If the only reason Rosenbaum was attacking Rittenhouse was because he was openly carrying a rifle, how did he miss all the others whom he must have seen, and before he even saw Rittenhouse?

The author of your article is omitting other more important causal factors, which were pointed out in the trial, than the openly carried weapons.

[spence]

Originally Posted by detbuch

There's a glaring problem, among the other glowing embers of problems, with this article. There were dozens of other open gun carriers branding their rifles milling in the crowd, even in the vicinity of Rittenhouse. Rittenhouse was the only one that was attacked.

But Rittenhouse didn't stay with the others, he branched out on his own approaching the crowd.

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by spence

But Rittenhouse didn't stay with the others, he branched out on his own approaching the crowd.

Eichenwald's article clearly and definitively stated: "it was open carry, was the beginning, middle, end of this entire tragedy."

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by detbuch

Eichenwald's article clearly and definitively stated: "it was open carry, was the beginning, middle, end of this entire tragedy."

it doesn’t matter to him. nor does it matter that theees all kinds of evidence that what started this mess, was the child rapist clearly instigating a conflict with rittenhouse.

anything that would exonerate rittenhouse, makes the left look like
liars. so he isn’t ever going to concede one inch. because the left said rittenhouse is a white supremacist murderer, therefore that must be the case to him.
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[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

it doesn’t matter to him. nor does it matter that theees all kinds of evidence that what started this mess, was the child rapist clearly instigating a conflict with rittenhouse.
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The guy had serious issues for sure, but when you walk into a situation that's out of control and you're the only person with an AR-15 style weapon ready to go I'd expect you're going to get some attention.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

The guy had serious issues for sure, but when you walk into a situation that's out of control and you're the only person with an AR-15 style weapon ready to go I'd expect you're going to get some attention.

and maybe all of what you said, you. can direct at the rioters and people
who encourage riots. riots are a very bad idea spence, for reasons which are now clear.

why were the people rittenhouse shot, there to begin with? everyone on your side made a big deal ( incorrectly, as usual) about rittenhouse being where he didn’t belong. turns out his dad and other family lives there.

why were his victims there? were they cleaning up graffiti like rittenhouse started off doing? did you know that’s what he was doing at first? no weapon, cleaning up graffiti. you think your side ever mentions that?

do you actually believe the stuff you post? or are you just playing games?
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT

and maybe all of what you said, you. can direct at the rioters and people
who encourage riots. riots are a very bad idea spence, for reasons which are now clear.

I've mentioned before, been tear gassed twice and I'm no instigator. Protests can organically get out of control before you know what's going on.

why were the people rittenhouse shot, there to begin with? everyone on your side made a big deal ( incorrectly, as usual) about rittenhouse being where he didn’t belong. turns out his dad and other family lives there.

I have no idea why Rosenbaum was there but the other two shot looked to just be taking part in the protests.

why were his victims there? were they cleaning up graffiti like rittenhouse started off doing? did you know that’s what he was doing at first? no weapon, cleaning up graffiti. you think your side ever mentions that?

That's been widely reported but really not material at all to the shootings.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by detbuch

Eichenwald's article clearly and definitively stated: "it was open carry, was the beginning, middle, end of this entire tragedy."

Talk about cherry-picking

There are only 2 reasons to open carry an assault rifle: to intimidate members of the public and to hunt people. In fact, even open-carrying a handgun is asinine the idea started with "it's good to be armed to defend yourself against a shooter." But of course, if you're eating at Luby's, and an active shooter comes in & sees you with a gun, you're the first one he'll shoot. It's those with *concealed* guns that offer protection *because* it was open carry, was the beginning, middle, end of this entire tragedy.
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