well i’ll get the election thread started

[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

so am i lying when i say CRT is taught?

No, just uninformed.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

No, just uninformed.

so when my son is told that his
skin color ( and that alone) bestows upon him the responsibility to right a historical wrong. and i say that’s CRT, how am I misinformed?

was wondering when you ( he who said the polls show that biden “is actually doing well) would chime in. since you’re so much better informed than i am, what’s your takeaway from last night? that the democrats in DC aren’t liberal
enough?

Spence, you can call that race-baiting horsesh*t whatever you want. A sample of america just made their voice heard on what they think about cramming it down their kids throats, and what they think about being told that they’re lying.

i hope your side responds by continuing to insult them. keep telling parents that objecting to this, means they are liars, and naturally, racists too. That’ll work great in NC and FL.
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[scottw]

whenever it's not going well for the left they blame those that they disagree with or those who oppose their nuttiness with as stupid and uninformed....we are going to see a lot of that

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

so when my son is told that his
skin color ( and that alone) bestows upon him the responsibility to right a historical wrong. and i say that’s CRT, how am I misinformed?

was wondering when you ( he who said the polls show that biden “is actually doing well) would chime in. since you’re so much better informed than i am, what’s your takeaway from last night? that the democrats in DC aren’t liberal
enough?

Spence, you can call that race-baiting horsesh*t whatever you want. A sample of america just made their voice heard on what they think about cramming it down their kids throats, and what they think about being told that they’re lying.

i hope your side responds by continuing to insult them. keep telling parents that objecting to this, means they are liars, and naturally, racists too. That’ll work great in NC and FL.
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Don’t your kids got to Catholic school?

CRT is mythical Jim

And not even VA teaches it.. but that won’t stop Youngkin from doing a executive order or some law to prevent something that has never happen or going to happen

That’s not leadership or policy.

But in reality it’s just another Stunt
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[Pete F.]

Of course bias doesn't exist, we are all color blind and society should take no responsibility at all.

The Dems made a mistake when CRT was adopted as an issue by Trumplicans, of not saying Society does not bear ALL responsibility for the current status of black americans but we do need to help our fellow americans help themselves and to do that we need to look at history honestly, not hiding the bad parts.

One of the often cited black economists, Glen Loury wrote:
What we call “race” is mainly a social, and only indirectly a biological, phenomenon. The persistence across generations of racial differentiation between large groups of people, in an open society where individuals live in proximity to one another, provides irrefutable indirect evidence of a profound separation between the racially defined networks of social affiliation within that society. There would be no races in the steady state of any dynamic social system unless, on a daily basis and with regard to their most intimate affairs, people paid assiduous attention to the boundaries separating themselves from racially distinct others. Over time, race would cease to exist unless people chose to act in a manner so as biologically to reproduce the variety of phenotypic expression that constitutes the substance of racial distinction.

How should we think about the persistence of racial inequality in America? To deny the relevance of behavioral patterns among some black families and communities is folly. To wash one’s hands of their problems because of such cultural and behavioral impediments is profoundly unjust. There are no easy answers, but I suggest that the view here is worth considering as a way to account for, and then respond to, an enduring dilemma that confronts and frustrates us still.

Take the poor central-city dwellers who make up perhaps a quarter of the African-American population. The dysfunctional behavior of many in this population does account for much of their failure to progress—and conservatives’ demand for greater personal responsibility is necessary and proper. Yet, confronted with the despair, violence, and self-destructive behavior of so many people, it seems morally superficial in the extreme to argue, as many conservatives do, that “those people should just get their acts together; if they did, like many of the poor immigrants, we would not have such a horrific problem in our cities.” To the contrary, any morally astute response to the social pathology of American history’s losers would have to conclude that, while we cannot change our ignoble past, we must not be indifferent to contemporary suffering issuing directly from that past. Their culture may be implicated in their difficulties, but so is our culture complicit in their troubles; we bear collective responsibility for the form and texture of our social relations.

While we cannot ignore the behavioral problems of the so-called black underclass, we should discuss and react to those problems as if we were talking about our own children, neighbors, and friends. It will require adjusting ways of thinking on both sides of the racial divide. Achieving a well-ordered society, where all members are embraced as being among us, should be the goal. Our failure to do so is an American tragedy. It is a national, not merely a communal, disgrace. Changing the definition of the American “we” is a first step toward rectifying the relational discrimination that afflicts our society, and it is the best path forward in reducing racial inequality.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Of course bias doesn't exist, we are all color blind and society should take no responsibility at all.

The Dems made a mistake when CRT was adopted as an issue by Trumplicans, of not saying Society does not bear ALL responsibility for the current status of black americans but we do need to help our fellow americans help themselves and to do that we need to look at history honestly, not hiding the bad parts.

One of the often cited black economists, Glen Loury wrote:
What we call “race” is mainly a social, and only indirectly a biological, phenomenon. The persistence across generations of racial differentiation between large groups of people, in an open society where individuals live in proximity to one another, provides irrefutable indirect evidence of a profound separation between the racially defined networks of social affiliation within that society. There would be no races in the steady state of any dynamic social system unless, on a daily basis and with regard to their most intimate affairs, people paid assiduous attention to the boundaries separating themselves from racially distinct others. Over time, race would cease to exist unless people chose to act in a manner so as biologically to reproduce the variety of phenotypic expression that constitutes the substance of racial distinction.

How should we think about the persistence of racial inequality in America? To deny the relevance of behavioral patterns among some black families and communities is folly. To wash one’s hands of their problems because of such cultural and behavioral impediments is profoundly unjust. There are no easy answers, but I suggest that the view here is worth considering as a way to account for, and then respond to, an enduring dilemma that confronts and frustrates us still.

Take the poor central-city dwellers who make up perhaps a quarter of the African-American population. The dysfunctional behavior of many in this population does account for much of their failure to progress—and conservatives’ demand for greater personal responsibility is necessary and proper. Yet, confronted with the despair, violence, and self-destructive behavior of so many people, it seems morally superficial in the extreme to argue, as many conservatives do, that “those people should just get their acts together; if they did, like many of the poor immigrants, we would not have such a horrific problem in our cities.” To the contrary, any morally astute response to the social pathology of American history’s losers would have to conclude that, while we cannot change our ignoble past, we must not be indifferent to contemporary suffering issuing directly from that past. Their culture may be implicated in their difficulties, but so is our culture complicit in their troubles; we bear collective responsibility for the form and texture of our social relations.

While we cannot ignore the behavioral problems of the so-called black underclass, we should discuss and react to those problems as if we were talking about our own children, neighbors, and friends. It will require adjusting ways of thinking on both sides of the racial divide. Achieving a well-ordered society, where all members are embraced as being among us, should be the goal. Our failure to do so is an American tragedy. It is a national, not merely a communal, disgrace. Changing the definition of the American “we” is a first step toward rectifying the relational discrimination that afflicts our society, and it is the best path forward in reducing racial inequality.

“of course bias doesn’t exist.”

you’re really hearing those voices again, brother. because no one came close to saying that.

bias exists. not all white people are to blame.

is that going too fast for you?
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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

as to CRT. my kids’ middle school
doesn’t have a course called CRT. if i look at his report card, i see grades for science, math, english, nothing for CRT. If i go to parent/teacher conferences, there’s isn’t a formal CRTteacher i can meet with. there’s no textbook called “CRT”.

but it’s taught. my son has had to write papers on what his responsibility is to fix racial injustice. so am i lying when i say CRT is taught?

the parents aren’t making this up. you guys just can’t concede that there could ever be a valid reason to bash the left.

keep telling parents they’re lying about CRT. that strategy didn’t work well in VA, and there’s a great chance it will work less well in NC and OH.
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT

so when my son is told that his
skin color ( and that alone) bestows upon him the responsibility to right a historical wrong. and i say that’s CRT, how am I misinformed?


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Originally Posted by Jim in CT

“of course bias doesn’t exist.”

you’re really hearing those voices again, brother. because no one came close to saying that.

bias exists. not all white people are to blame.

is that going too fast for you?
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You claim that the reason for the result in VA was critical race theory

I'd like to see the actual wording of the question your son was asked that caused you to think "my son has had to write papers on what his responsibility is to fix racial injustice."

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

You claim that the reason for the result in VA was critical race theory

I'd like to see the actual wording of the question your son was asked that caused you to think "my son has had to write papers on what his responsibility is to fix racial injustice."

that’s not “my claim.”. it’s fact. McAuluffe was comfortable ahead until he made that idiotic public statement that parents have no say i. what their kids are taught. every single poll had education high on the list of concerns. not “my claim.”

if i found the exact assignment and posted it, what’s the likelihood that you’d agree i have a point? Zero.

our children have been denied over a year of basic education. schools
need to spend more time on the basics, less time on divisive liberal indoctrination. if you think that’s just “my claim”, ask governor McAuliffe if i’m making that up, or if people agree with me.
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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

that’s not “my claim.”. it’s fact. McAuluffe was comfortable ahead until he made that idiotic public statement that parents have no say i. what their kids are taught. every single poll had education high on the list of concerns. not “my claim.”

if i found the exact assignment and posted it, what’s the likelihood that you’d agree i have a point? Zero.

our children have been denied over a year of basic education. schools
need to spend more time on the basics, less time on divisive liberal indoctrination. if you think that’s just “my claim”, ask governor McAuliffe if i’m making that up, or if people agree with me.
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Critical race theory top factor for 25% of Virginia voters, while 72% called it important: Fox analysis

As I thought, you made it up.

And I thought you said your kids were in catholic school?
Is the Pope into CRT also?
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Of course bias doesn't exist, we are all color blind and society should take no responsibility at all.

said nobody ever.......

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by scottw

said nobody ever.......

literally, nothing close to anything that has been said. but that’s what he responds to. who is he responding to?
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