Current headline on Yahoo - Why Florida Has Americas Lowest Covid Rate

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

I can't take a screen shot for some reason, but that's the headline this morning on Yahoo.

I figured some folks here (1) would want to know, and (2) wouldn't know based on where they get their news.

.from yahoo...

"During the past two months, however, Florida’s daily average has plummeted by more than 90 percent, to about 1,700 cases, or eight for every 100,000 residents. That’s roughly half of California’s current COVID rate and less than a quarter of Vermont’s."

Funny Jim in the same article

Like everything else about America’s COVID ordeal, the state’s declining infection numbers are being turned into political talking points. Conservatives on Twitter and Fox News now claim that Florida’s turnaround vindicates the hands-off policies of Republican Gov. (and likely 2024 presidential hopeful) Ron DeSantis,

And they’ve done it without mask or vaccine mandates,” added conservative radio host Clay Travis. “This is why Ron DeSantis terrifies the coronabros. Because all their shutdowns & mandates, which destroy freedoms, provide no benefits.”



You like most conservatives are desperate to show a cause and effect that doesn’t exist ..
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Funny Jim in the same article

Like everything else about America’s COVID ordeal, the state’s declining infection numbers are being turned into political talking points. Conservatives on Twitter and Fox News now claim that Florida’s turnaround vindicates the hands-off policies of Republican Gov. (and likely 2024 presidential hopeful) Ron DeSantis,

And they’ve done it without mask or vaccine mandates,” added conservative radio host Clay Travis. “This is why Ron DeSantis terrifies the coronabros. Because all their shutdowns & mandates, which destroy freedoms, provide no benefits.”



You like most conservatives are desperate to show a cause and effect that doesn’t exist ..
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but you all claimed the cause and effect t did exist, when florida’s numbers were bad. that was my point. but now that the numbers are awesome, you say there’s no relationship between desantis and his numbers

wayne his state has been much more open than many other states, and his death rates are better than in many states that had strict lockdowns. that’s called “winning”.
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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Just hold your hands over your ears and scream

If you infect enough people to reach herd immunity your covid rate will drop, and who cares about the 40 thousand more deaths, never mind the excess deaths that are currently uncounted.

California cases 12,376 per 100K

Vermont cases 6262 per 100K

Floriduh cases 16,954 per 100K

California deaths 182 per 100K

Vermont deaths 57 per 100K

Floriduh deaths 274 per 100K

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

but you all claimed the cause and effect t did exist, when florida’s numbers were bad. that was my point. but now that the numbers are awesome, you say there’s no relationship between desantis and his numbers

wayne his state has been much more open than many other states, and his death rates are better than in many states that had strict lockdowns. that’s called “winning”.
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The cause and effect did exist and still does.

But life only counts prior to birth for you.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

The cause and effect did exist and still does.

But life only counts prior to birth for you.

"The cause and effect did exist and still does"

Which means you give Desantis credit for the plummeting covid numbers in Florida.

"But life only counts prior to birth for you"

A very common, desperate attack from liberals. Except the data clearly shows that conservatives are as likely ( slightly more likely, to be more accurate) to donate time and money to charity, than liberals. How on Earth do you reconcile that, with your desperate wish to paint conservatives as callous?

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

"The cause and effect did exist and still does"

Which means you give Desantis credit for the plummeting covid numbers in Florida.

"But life only counts prior to birth for you"

A very common, desperate attack from liberals. Except the data clearly shows that conservatives are as likely ( slightly more likely, to be more accurate) to donate time and money to charity, than liberals. How on Earth do you reconcile that, with your desperate wish to paint conservatives as callous?

That would be the data from One study and consumption philanthropy is quite different than a food bank or homeless shelter. It works like this:

Nike's Phil Knight gave $1.6 billion to his foundation in 2018
*$1.26B was tax deductible
*Made up 2.8% of his net worth
*Used donation to push U of Oregon to cut ties with sweatshop monitoring group

As long as you’re willing to give DeathSantis credit for 40,000 unnecessary deaths

Meanwhile the tweet from Phil Scott

The data is clear: vaccines work. Throughout the Delta wave, the most vaccinated states have seen significantly fewer hospitalizations and fatalities. VT has stood out even among the most vaccinated places. Thousands of Vermonters get vaccinated every week. Join them.

The tweet from DeathSantis

1. Your livelihood should not be dependent upon whether you get a COVID shot. This is a personal decision.
2. The Biden Vaccine Mandate is unconstitutional, and we have a responsibility to fight back as a state.
3. Vaccine mandates are bad for the economy.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

That would be the data from One study and consumption philanthropy is quite different than a food bank or homeless shelter. It works like this:

Nike's Phil Knight gave $1.6 billion to his foundation in 2018
*$1.26B was tax deductible
*Made up 2.8% of his net worth
*Used donation to push U of Oregon to cut ties with sweatshop monitoring group

As long as you’re willing to give DeathSantis credit for 40,000 unnecessary deaths

Meanwhile the tweet from Phil Scott

The data is clear: vaccines work. Throughout the Delta wave, the most vaccinated states have seen significantly fewer hospitalizations and fatalities. VT has stood out even among the most vaccinated places. Thousands of Vermonters get vaccinated every week. Join them.

The tweet from DeathSantis

1. Your livelihood should not be dependent upon whether you get a COVID shot. This is a personal decision.
2. The Biden Vaccine Mandate is unconstitutional, and we have a responsibility to fight back as a state.
3. Vaccine mandates are bad for the economy.
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One shady guy, Phil Knight, skews the whole data set. Gotcha.

Pete, what's your evidence that conservatives stop caring when the baby is born?

And there is a huge difference between being opposed to the vaccine, and being opposed to being forced to take a vaccine. Those are two very different things, even if you can't distinguish them.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

One shady guy, Phil Knight, skews the whole data set. Gotcha.

Pete, what's your evidence that conservatives stop caring when the baby is born?

And there is a huge difference between being opposed to the vaccine, and being opposed to being forced to take a vaccine. Those are two very different things, even if you can't distinguish them.

Oh, nobody else would do that. K

My evidence that conservatives stop caring is quite similar to yours that liberals are responsible for inner cities.

And there’s a big difference between Scott’s and DeathSantis’ approaches, like 5X as many dead people.
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[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

but you all claimed the cause and effect t did exist, when florida’s numbers were bad. that was my point. but now that the numbers are awesome, you say there’s no relationship between desantis and his numbers

wayne his state has been much more open than many other states, and his death rates are better than in many states that had strict lockdowns. that’s called “winning”.
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Jim you do understand if you took no action or mitigation to prevent the spread of coivd

How can that action be seen as reducing rates

If Ron had no increase in cases or FLA covid case stayed steady of a period of time then you’ll have data points to support Ron got it right

But that’s not what you have , You’re claiming doing nothing had the same outcome ? Compared to other states. More red state blue state simpleton argument But Fla did have mask mandates and lockdowns just not promoted by the Governor but local officials
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Jim you do understand if you took no action or mitigation….

But that’s not what you have , You’re claiming doing nothing had the same outcome ?

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They didn’t “do nothing” in Florida

“So here’s, I think, the most important thing with the data: if you are vaccinated—fully vaccinated—the chance of you getting seriously ill or dying from COVID is effectively zero,” DeSantis said. “If you look at the people who are being admitted to hospitals, over 95 percent of them are either not fully vaccinated or not vaccinated at all. These vaccines are saving lives. They are reducing mortality.”

The governor said he’s been urging people to get vaccinated for months because of what he called the “summer season”.

“We have a summer season here, just like last year,” DeSantis said. “It started a little later this year. So you’re going to have higher prevalence for the rest of July, probably into August. And then it goes back and goes the different waves. If you’re vaccinated, those waves are not going to impact you in any significant way and I think that’s the important message for people.”

Gov. DeSantis praised Florida’s vaccine rollout and its choice to prioritize seniors getting the shot first, and acknowledged the slower uptake of the vaccine among younger Floridians. He also reiterated that he thought it was a mistake for the Food and Drug Administration to pause use of the Johnson & Johnson vaccine after a few women experienced blood clots. Florida followed the FDA and Centers for Disease Control recommendation at the time and paused the vaccine.

“I think that, that sent a message that maybe this is not something that they should be doing. I think that’s been unfortunate because I took it, I think it’s effective,” he said.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by scottw

They didn’t “do nothing” in Florida

“So here’s, I think, the most important thing with the data: if you are vaccinated—fully vaccinated—the chance of you getting seriously ill or dying from COVID is effectively zero,” DeSantis said. “If you look at the people who are being admitted to hospitals, over 95 percent of them are either not fully vaccinated or not vaccinated at all. These vaccines are saving lives. They are reducing mortality.”

The governor said he’s been urging people to get vaccinated for months because of what he called the “summer season”.

“We have a summer season here, just like last year,” DeSantis said. “It started a little later this year. So you’re going to have higher prevalence for the rest of July, probably into August. And then it goes back and goes the different waves. If you’re vaccinated, those waves are not going to impact you in any significant way and I think that’s the important message for people.”

Gov. DeSantis praised Florida’s vaccine rollout and its choice to prioritize seniors getting the shot first, and acknowledged the slower uptake of the vaccine among younger Floridians. He also reiterated that he thought it was a mistake for the Food and Drug Administration to pause use of the Johnson & Johnson vaccine after a few women experienced blood clots. Florida followed the FDA and Centers for Disease Control recommendation at the time and paused the vaccine.

“I think that, that sent a message that maybe this is not something that they should be doing. I think that’s been unfortunate because I took it, I think it’s effective,” he said.
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once again, as always, he cannot respond to what was said and done, so he responds to some crazy radical thing ( FL did “nothing”) that’s easier for him to respond to. The fact that it’s not even close to what transpired, somehow doesn’t matter to him.

“Oh so you’re saying the state should just execute all of the senior citizens up front to spew them the suffering of covid, and then sell
their organs on ebay.”.

it’s that stupid.
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

it’s that stupid.

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I bet they are shocked that DeSantis is vaccinated...

he's apparently "pro-anti-vaccination" or something....

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by scottw

I bet they are shocked that DeSantis is vaccinated...

he's apparently "pro-anti-vaccination" or something....

correct. the same desantis who enlisted the help of the Publix chain of stores to help get more people quickly vaccinated, and then they attacked him for that because publix had donated to his campaign, so the lefty media said he was just rewarding a donor.

everything he does, no matter what it is, must be wrong. they are incapable of admitting he’s doing anything well. because liberalism can never, ever be wrong, under any circumstances. they don’t merely “believe” in liberalism. they are, quite literally, enslaved by it. that’s the cult. look at the way they behave when conservatives actually beat liberals at something, which i hate to break it to them, does occasionally happen. they cannot be rational.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Jim you do understand if you took no action or mitigation to prevent the spread of coivd

How can that action be seen as reducing rates

If Ron had no increase in cases or FLA covid case stayed steady of a period of time then you’ll have data points to support Ron got it right

But that’s not what you have , You’re claiming doing nothing had the same outcome ? Compared to other states. More red state blue state simpleton argument But Fla did have mask mandates and lockdowns just not promoted by the Governor but local officials
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let’s stick with this. please tell us, where you got the idea that Florida took no action? Unless you lied and made that up, you must have heard that somewhere. Where did you hear that?

Doesn’t it tell you something about your position, that you constantly have to pretend that i said something i never said? you do it constantly. It would be simple for you to trash Florida if they did nothing. The problem is, they didn’t do nothing.

But you force yourself to pretend they did nothing. You’d rather feel like you won a fictional argument, than get clobbered in a valid argument. But that’s not real life.

You and Pete do this constantly, all day long.
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[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

let’s stick with this. please tell us, where you got the idea that Florida took no action? Unless you lied and made that up, you must have heard that somewhere. Where did you hear that?

Doesn’t it tell you something about your position, that you constantly have to pretend that i said something i never said? you do it constantly. It would be simple for you to trash Florida if they did nothing. The problem is, they didn’t do nothing.

But you force yourself to pretend they did nothing. You’d rather feel like you won a fictional argument, than get clobbered in a valid argument. But that’s not real life.

You and Pete do this constantly, all day long.
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So what actions did Ron take ?seeing I haven’t seen one example

Other than he got the shot ?
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

So what actions did Ron take ?seeing I haven’t seen one example

Other than he got the shot ?
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you’re serious? youre saying you aren’t aware of a single thing he did, and therefore you’re assuming he did absolutely nothing?

to start with, he didn’t order nursing homes to admit resident who tested positive for a disease which the entire world knew would be brutal for seniors. he managed to not to that. FL has a huge elderly population, he needed to pay close attention to that.

there’s vaccine sites and testing sites all over the state, as there is in most states.

he didn’t fudge his numbers, though the cdc was caught inflating his numbers.

why do huge numbers of people
want to move there? before you say “the weather”, please keep in mind that CA has nice weather, but huge numbers of people aren’t moving there.

all states have vaccine sites and testing centers, i’m not saying he did anything unique there. but his state isn’t lagging behind.

he responded to what he saw in the data. not to the political whims of Faucci who is flip flopping all over the place. what he did do that was unique, was he responded to the data that said most people aren’t at a high risk of dying from covid. do he targeted protective actions on the seniors, and let everyone else have freedoms that aren’t available to americans in a lot of other places. that decision may turn out to be a complete disaster. but so far, it doesn’t look like it.

if he completely blew covid, people
would be fleeing the state. but the opposite is taking place. people are fleeing NY.

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[scottw]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

you’re serious?


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he's remarkably well informed

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

you’re serious? youre saying you aren’t aware of a single thing he did, and therefore you’re assuming he did absolutely nothing?

to start with, he didn’t order nursing homes to admit resident who tested positive for a disease which the entire world knew would be brutal for seniors. he managed to not to that. FL has a huge elderly population, he needed to pay close attention to that.

there’s vaccine sites and testing sites all over the state, as there is in most states.

he didn’t fudge his numbers, though the cdc was caught inflating his numbers.

why do huge numbers of people
want to move there? before you say “the weather”, please keep in mind that CA has nice weather, but huge numbers of people aren’t moving there.

all states have vaccine sites and testing centers, i’m not saying he did anything unique there. but his state isn’t lagging behind.

he responded to what he saw in the data. not to the political whims of Faucci who is flip flopping all over the place. what he did do that was unique, was he responded to the data that said most people aren’t at a high risk of dying from covid. do he targeted protective actions on the seniors, and let everyone else have freedoms that aren’t available to americans in a lot of other places. that decision may turn out to be a complete disaster. but so far, it doesn’t look like it.

if he completely blew covid, people
would be fleeing the state. but the opposite is taking place. people are fleeing NY.

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The freedom mantra

Governor Ron DeSantis. “In addition to cases, hospitalizations have plummeted in our state. This has been accomplished by making monoclonal antibody treatments and vaccines widely available throughout our state while protecting Floridians from government overreach.”

This has been Ron’s focus since Trump lost the election 2024

This is from a official FLA government website

Tallahassee, Fla. — Florida’s COVID-19 death rate is lower than the national average — without draconian lockdowns, unscientific mask mandates, or invasive vaccine passports. To discredit Governor Ron DeSantis’ successful response to the COVID-19 pandemic, the corporate media has embraced an absurd narrative for the past year, claiming that “Florida is manipulating COVID-19 data to hide the real numbers.”

Ron using government money and and government site as a campaign ad?

Governor DeSantis Stands with Parents Against Biden Administration’s Attempt to Silence Free Speech through Intimidation

That’s funny
Florida police raid home of former state Covid-19 data scientist
Look who’s trying to silence free speech through intimidation?

Still waiting on the FBI to arrest a parent
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Funny Jim in the same article

Like everything else about America’s COVID ordeal, the state’s declining infection numbers are being turned into political talking points. Conservatives on Twitter and Fox News now claim that Florida’s turnaround vindicates the hands-off policies of Republican Gov. (and likely 2024 presidential hopeful) Ron DeSantis,

And they’ve done it without mask or vaccine mandates,” added conservative radio host Clay Travis. “This is why Ron DeSantis terrifies the coronabros. Because all their shutdowns & mandates, which destroy freedoms, provide no benefits.”



You like most conservatives are desperate to show a cause and effect that doesn’t exist ..
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Wayne, can you agree that Desantis is equally responsible for the good months his state has, as the bad months? Or is he only responsible for the bad months?

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Wayne, can you agree that Desantis is equally responsible for the good months his state has, as the bad months? Or is he only responsible for the bad months?

By that measure, if he’d succeeded in killing everyone he’d be perfect.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

By that measure, if he’d succeeded in killing everyone he’d be perfect.
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how the hell did you arrive at that?

i didn’t say he gets praise for the bad days. i said, since you all seemed to clearly think he was responsible for the bad days this summer, why isn’t he equally responsible for the great results now? according to your logic, he gets blame
for the bad days but no credit for the good days. how does that make sense?

you are impossible to have a rational conversation with.

you can’t talk to someone who thinks paternity leave is the answer to urban fatherlessness.
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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

how the hell did you arrive at that?

i didn’t say he gets praise for the bad days. i said, since you all seemed to clearly think he was responsible for the bad days this summer, why isn’t he equally responsible for the great results now? according to your logic, he gets blame
for the bad days but no credit for the good days. how does that make sense?

you are impossible to have a rational conversation with.

you can’t talk to someone who thinks paternity leave is the answer to urban fatherlessness.
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Pretty simple
His current “good” months are the result of a high level of infection in the bad months resulting in some level of herd immunity.
If everyone had died in the bad months, he would currently have by far the lowest infection rate.
Hurrah
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Pretty simple
His current “good” months are the result of a high level of infection in the bad months resulting in some level of herd immunity.
If everyone had died in the bad months, he would currently have by far the lowest infection rate.
Hurrah
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"His current “good” months are the result of a high level of infection in the bad months resulting in some level of herd immunity."

and the fact that his bad months were summer, when its too hot to be outside in FL and everyone is stuck inside, had noting whatsoever to do with the summer spike in covid cases.

"If everyone had died in the bad months, he would currently have by far the lowest infection rate."

Well that's not what happened, is it? So we know that's not driving the improvement.

Amazing, you all gave Cuomo a complete free pass for everything, Desantis can't do anything right. That's just a coincidence, not a political tactic.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

you are impossible to have a rational conversation with.

you can’t talk to someone who thinks paternity leave is the answer to urban fatherlessness.
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I didn’t say that paternity leave was the answer, what I said was:
“You’re proof that the Venn diagram of men who are saying paternity leave isn't necessary cause babies don't need their fathers and people who blame all racial disparity in the U.S. on a "lack of black fathers" is a circle.”
Do I need to explain a Venn diagram?
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