bill maher rips liberals for being wrong on covid facts

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

This is pretty sloppy for Maher. The stat he calls out was about unvaccinated people, not people in general.

If you read the actual survey it also mentions things like ...



And comparing Cuomo to DeSantis is just stupid. NY's first spike in senior deaths came at a time when we didn't understand much about Covid and didn't have a vaccine. Florida has been one of the worst states in the nation, July through September leading every state by far for deaths 65+

"Florida has been one of the worst states in the nation, July through September leading every state by far for deaths 65+"

And we can only wonder why you excluded October? Could it be because Floridas numbers are getting better, now that the weather has cooled and people can spend time outside again?

"And comparing Cuomo to DeSantis is just stupid."

Hey, you got one right!

Desantis didn't order nursing homes to admit covid-positive residents and then fudge the numbers.

https://www.yahoo.com/now/desantis-c...110000651.html

"came at a time when we didn't understand much about Covid"

We knew that it was going to hit the elderly the hardest, we knew that when Cuomo forced nursing homes to admit covid-positive residents. My company sells professional liability to nursing homes, I was on calls with lawyers and NY nursing homes all day long, wondering why the heck he was doing what he was doing.

But you can't criticize Cuomo.

Anyway, if there's some reason why we should only judge Florida based on its worst three months, and ignore what's happened since then, I'm all ears.

[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

And we can only wonder why you excluded October? Could it be because Floridas numbers are getting better, now that the weather has cooled and people can spend time outside again?

Because that's what the article I read showed, sure October is getting a lot better in FL because it's getting better in nearly if not every state. FL had a very bad summer so the drop looks more dramatic. Taking a small data point and trying to make a political assumption off of it doesn't make a lot of sense.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by spence

because it's getting better in nearly if not every state.

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not in Vermont the most vaccinated state in the country.... yesterday- Despite nation's highest vaccination rate, Vermont COVID-19 cases remain high, a surprise given Vermont's position as the nation's most-vaccinated state. SURPRISE!!


and it was only September ago when Florida was being hammered as being irresponsible regarding masking and all of florida was predicted to die as a result....

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by scottw

not in Vermont the most vaccinated state in the country.... yesterday- Despite nation's highest vaccination rate, Vermont COVID-19 cases remain high, a surprise given Vermont's position as the nation's most-vaccinated state. SURPRISE!!


and it was only September ago when Florida was being hammered as being irresponsible regarding masking and all of florida was predicted to die as a result....

are the vaccinated people the ones responsible for the spike ? or is the unvaccinated ..

VT Health reports 202 new COVID-19 cases Oh the horror

and MA reports Mass. reports 1,888 new COVID-19 cases

and Fla 2500 new daily cases

Scott comparing things as equal where have we seen that

[scottw]

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are the vaccinated people the ones responsible for the spike ? or is the unvaccinated ..

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we know it's 100% the fault of the unvaccinated...

[scottw]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Scott comparing things as equal where have we seen that

I didn't(compare things a equal)...I can't decipher the rest of that.....

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by scottw

I didn't(compare things a equal)...I can't decipher the rest of that.....

Sometimes I think Clammer is posting as WDMSO.

Let's recap...

Trump's gesture to lend his jet to fly a sick child across the country (who the airlines refused to fly) isn't worth mentioning because the kid died, and/or because the kids father may have been involved in shady deals.

Only 19 GOP senators voted for the infastructure bill, which hasn't been voted on yet.

Florida has more covid cases than northern maine, therefore Desantis is a mass murderer.

I can feel precious IQ points being sucked out of my brain, gotta go.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

are the vaccinated people the ones responsible for the spike ? or is the unvaccinated ..

VT Health reports 202 new COVID-19 cases Oh the horror

and MA reports Mass. reports 1,888 new COVID-19 cases

and Fla 2500 new daily cases

Scott comparing things as equal where have we seen that

You're comparing number of cases, not rates per 100,000?

Yeah that makes sense.

Good lord man.

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

You're comparing number of cases, not rates per 100,000?

Yeah that makes sense.

Good lord man.

As if scott or you were making your case based on case rates per 100,000 I guess I missed where either of you said anything close

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

As if scott or you were making your case based on case rates per 100,000 I guess I missed where either of you said anything close

because it never occurred to us you’d be looking at absolute counts, not rates. counts are meaningless, because they’re biased against small states.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

are the vaccinated people the ones responsible for the spike ? or is the unvaccinated ..

You'd have to assume the unvaccinated, but there are breakouts at colleges that have close to a 100% vaccination rate. How do you explain that? Unless the vaccine isn't quite as effective as we were told.

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

You'd have to assume the unvaccinated, but there are breakouts at colleges that have close to a 100% vaccination rate. How do you explain that? Unless the vaccine isn't quite as effective as we were told.

What were told our what you decided you heard

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

What were told our what you decided you heard

Ok, since you laughed at my presumption that the vaccine isn't that effective, please tell me how you can have big outbreaks on college campuses among students who are 100% vaccinated. If my guess was laughable, surely you must have a more plausible explanation?

If you have a student body that's 100% vaccinated, how do you get a big outbreak? That's happened a few times, Connecticut College and Duke that I know of.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by scottw

not in Vermont the most vaccinated state in the country.... yesterday- Despite nation's highest vaccination rate, Vermont COVID-19 cases remain high, a surprise given Vermont's position as the nation's most-vaccinated state. SURPRISE!!


and it was only September ago when Florida was being hammered as being irresponsible regarding masking and all of florida was predicted to die as a result....

In Vermont, Orleans and Essex counties lead the state by far in cases and lag in vaccinations.
They are also the counties that guess who won or did best in.

That being said, the Delta variant seems to run thru the population quickly. Luckily for the vaccinated it rarely requires hospitalization, but not for those who are not vaccinated.

We will see what the next variant brings, the larger the infected pool the greater the chance of variants developing.
Covid is perfectly willing to play the game and the bigger the field, the better it does.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

In Vermont

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yawn.....

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

Taking a small data point and trying to make a political assumption off of it doesn't make a lot of sense.

Sort of like taking July-September, when it's been 18 months we've been dealing with this. You cherry picked a specific 3 month window to make FL look bad, and you did it for political reasons, and you got caught.

People are moving to FL in huge numbers. They aren't doing so because they want to die from covid.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

October is getting a lot better in FL because it's getting better in nearly if not every state. .

From yahoo that Scott posted:

On a per capita basis over the past seven days, Florida has had fewer cases than every state in the contiguous United States, with the exception of California.

Not every state is seeing the improvement FL is seeing. It's not just a function of Florida having nowhere to go but down.

If what you said isn't pure bullsh*t, why isn't "nearly every state" doing as well as CA and FL?

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

From yahoo that Scott posted:

On a per capita basis over the past seven days, Florida has had fewer cases than every state in the contiguous United States, with the exception of California.

Not every state is seeing the improvement FL is seeing. It's not just a function of Florida having nowhere to go but down.

If what you said isn't pure bullsh*t, why isn't "nearly every state" doing as well as CA and FL?

you left this part out After Record High Surge

https://www.newsweek.com/florida-cov...-surge-1639985

[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Desantis didn't order nursing homes to admit covid-positive residents and then fudge the numbers.

Actually the order was for nursing homes to take back covid patients after they had recovered. The NY Department of Health studied this and found it had no impact on caseload. He did under report and got slammed for it.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

Actually the order was for nursing homes to take back covid patients after they had recovered. The NY Department of Health studied this and found it had no impact on caseload. He did under report and got slammed for it.

WRONG.

Sick people were admitted to nursing homes. I work in this industry. They were forced back into homes after they left the hospital, very different from being fully recovered and no longer contagious. Look it up.

[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

WRONG.

Sick people were admitted to nursing homes. I work in this industry. They were forced back into homes after they left the hospital, very different from being fully recovered and no longer contagious. Look it up.

I've read plenty about it. I don't think many who were positive shouldn't have qualified to return. They had to be medically stable to and NY state law doesn't allow anyone to be admitted to a nursing home unless they can be provided proper care, so if they aren't recovered most wouldn't be able to provide proper care.

It's moot anyway, Cuomo is done and they've already determined the bulk of the nursing home outbreaks were due to asymptomatic transmission by staff.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by spence

I don't think many who were positive shouldn't have qualified to return.


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Wut?
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[spence]

Originally Posted by scottw

Wut?
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Multi tasking. Added a don't that didn't belong.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by spence

It's moot anyway,

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Right, because we can’t bring back the dead
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

I've read plenty about it. I don't think many who were positive shouldn't have qualified to return. They had to be medically stable to and NY state law doesn't allow anyone to be admitted to a nursing home unless they can be provided proper care, so if they aren't recovered most wouldn't be able to provide proper care.

It's moot anyway, Cuomo is done and they've already determined the bulk of the nursing home outbreaks were due to asymptomatic transmission by staff.

i’m sure you want it to be moot. but it’s not. LONG after we knew how stupid and reckless Cuomo was, everyone on the left was declaring him a saint.
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[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

i’m sure you want it to be moot. but it’s not. LONG after we knew how stupid and reckless Cuomo was, everyone on the left was declaring him a saint.
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Cuomo took a ton of heat from the left on manipulating case numbers. That and the misconduct issues are what made him resign.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

Cuomo took a ton of heat from the left on manipulating case numbers. That and the misconduct issues are what made him resign.

he did not, it was universal praise until it was shown he bothered women. killing seniors and lying about it was ok, but harassing women was too far.
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[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

WRONG.

Sick people were admitted to nursing homes. I work in this industry. They were forced back into homes after they left the hospital, very different from being fully recovered and no longer contagious. Look it up.

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Jim your making things up to fit your vision of events.
The majority of nursing home deaths were caused by Staff brining in the virus ! not by returning people from the hospitals and this is True nation wide and the same thing applies to Prisons staff. They gave inmates Covid and boom



But to blame all the deaths on returned people from the hospital was just another Republican red state blue state argument with Covid
And other topics Which you use quite often

Florida leads nation in nursing home resident and staff COVID-19 deaths

https://www.tampabay.com/news/health...vid-19-deaths/
So are you going to blame Ron ?


Hindsight is always 20/20
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

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Jim your making things up to fit your vision of events.
The majority of nursing home deaths were caused by Staff brining in the virus ! not by returning people from the hospitals and this is True nation wide and the same thing applies to Prisons staff. They gave inmates Covid and boom



But to blame all the deaths on returned people from the hospital was just another Republican red state blue state argument with Covid
And other topics Which you use quite often

Florida leads nation in nursing home resident and staff COVID-19 deaths

https://www.tampabay.com/news/health...vid-19-deaths/
So are you going to blame Ron ?


Hindsight is always 20/20
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what did i make up? i never denied that staff contributed to nursing home deaths. i’m also certain that sick residents contributed to it. Why the hell would you force nursing homes to admit residents who have a disease we all knew targets seniors.?

spence said nursing homes residents weren’t admitted back in until they were healthy. that’s absolutely, demonstrably false.

You guys all reek, and i mean REEK, of desperation.

I’m not sure why that is? After all, spence said Biden is doing quite well in recent polling. and you’ve stated that inflation is no big deal, gas prices no big deal, crime is no big deal, the situation at the border is nothing new, the supply chain issue is nothing worth mentioning. you guys are in great shape! i predict the democrats will have unanimous control of the house in 2022, and whatever republican senators are left, will switch to the democrat party. because your side is never, ever wrong, not once, not ever. We all see that now. You’ve made such a perfect compelling case, no one can deny it now.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

He did under report and got slammed universal praise from the left, a book deal, and an Emmy for it.

fixed it for ya.