Biden tanks in polls

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

ok jim you win i can't defeat your idiocy next time we talk about a topic .. I'll start talking about tuna fishing even if it's not relevant .. Just to prove . I can talk about 2 different things at the same time

According to Spence, 13 unarmed blacks were killed by cops in 2019. According to the FBI, 8,600 blacks were homicide victims in 2020/

I say we should work to address police brutality and black on black crime, but that we should allocate resources and energy to those problems according to the magnitude of each issue. One issue claims 660 times more black lives than the other.

You say it's "idiocy" to give any weight to the difference in magnitude of those crises. You are entitled to that opinion.

[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

According to Spence, 13 unarmed blacks were killed by cops in 2019.

I didn't say that.

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

According to Spence, 13 unarmed blacks were killed by cops in 2019. According to the FBI, 8,600 blacks were homicide victims in 2020/

I say we should work to address police brutality and black on black crime, but that we should allocate resources and energy to those problems according to the magnitude of each issue. One issue claims 660 times more black lives than the other.

You say it's "idiocy" to give any weight to the difference in magnitude of those crises. You are entitled to that opinion.

Any unarmed Americans is to many no matter their Race to be killed by police.. not sure why expecting more from law enforcement is anti law enforcement to the Right? They sees accountability as a woke or a CRT suggestion .. apparently

Ps for the record your black on black crime is still irrelevant to the police brutality question.. I guess you still never read the article in the link I provided
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Any unarmed Americans is to many no matter their Race to be killed by police.. not sure why expecting more from law enforcement is anti law enforcement to the Right? They sees accountability as a woke or a CRT suggestion .. apparently

Ps for the record your black on black crime is still irrelevant to the police brutality question.. I guess you still never read the article in the link I provided
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“any is too many.”

i agreed and already said so.

but 13 isnt 8,600.

priorities. you ever have to set priorities, or do you always assign the same
weight to everything?

this is beyond stupid.
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Any unarmed Americans is to many

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this is an unreasonable standard....this is like saying any death from cancer is too many....well, in the real world...it's gonna happen

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by scottw

this is an unreasonable standard....this is like saying any death from cancer is too many....well, in the real world...it's gonna happen

exactly, you send cops into gravely dangerous situations, they’re pumped up and scared like anyone would be, mistakes will be made. it’s tragic, and we can try to train them better, but mistakes will be made, just like good faith mistakes are made by doctors in hospitals.

it would be nice if we could
differentiate between well intentioned mistakes ( say, Brianna Taylor where the cops walked into a barrage of fire) and murder ( like the Floyd case). and it would be nice if we didn’t always assume race was the main motive when we have no idea.

Sadly, that kind of honesty doesn’t help democrats win elections. What helps them, is pretending this issue is much worse than it actually is. And if innocent cops get killed as a result of portraying them as racist assassins, the DNC has decided that’s a price they’re willing to pay
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[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

exactly, you send cops into gravely dangerous situations, they’re pumped up and scared like anyone would be, mistakes will be made. it’s tragic, and we can try to train them better, but mistakes will be made, just like good faith mistakes are made by doctors in hospitals.

it would be nice if we could
differentiate between well intentioned mistakes ( say, Brianna Taylor where the cops walked into a barrage of fire) Jim they conducted a house invasion with a licensed gun owner who was defending himself and murder ( like the Floyd case). and it would be nice if we didn’t always assume race was the main motive when we have no idea.




Sadly, that kind of honesty doesn’t help democrats win elections. What helps them, is pretending this issue is much worse than it actually is. And if innocent cops get killed as a result of portraying them as racist assassins, the DNC has decided that’s a price they’re willing to pay
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Jim you are not talking about good faith mistakes . your 2 examples are not examples of good faith mistakes. talk about lack of honesty

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by scottw

this is an unreasonable standard....this is like saying any death from cancer is too many....well, in the real world...it's gonna happen

If any one Asks for any police Standards it magically becomes an unreasonable standard

PS i can't shoot and kill you with Cancer.. but why is setting a goal for Zero cancer or zero shooting of unarmed people so controversial... its just a goal... But to even try is outrageous

[scottw]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Any unarmed Americans is to many no matter their Race to be killed by police..

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what are your thoughts on Ashli Babbit?

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by scottw

what are your thoughts on Ashli Babbit?

a seditionist who got exactly what was coming to her.
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[wdmso]

Originally Posted by scottw

what are your thoughts on Ashli Babbit?

Ah the Babbit false equivalence nonsense


I don't recall the capitol police saying they shot her because they thought she had a weapon (but would haven't been outrageous if they had).. with her hands up .. but please keep trying to suggest she wasn't actively trying to break into an area with our representatives to . with clear intent to do Harm . against orders from law enforcement to not enter...

I thought you would have said she should of complied or in your words
"if I do something that causes the police to show up and restrain me and I'm uncooperative or give them reason to think I have a weapon or I'm belligerent and resist arrest, yup...I expect bad things will happen to be."

which is it ?

Almost immediately, white supremacist and anti-government extremists began trying to use Ashli Babbitt's death as a clarion call for recruits. and now Trump what a surprise

[scottw]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Ah the Babbit false equivalence nonsense


I don't recall the capitol police saying they shot her because they thought she had a weapon (but would haven't been outrageous if they had).. with her hands up .. but please keep trying to suggest she wasn't actively trying to break into an area with our representatives to . with clear intent to do Harm . against orders from law enforcement to not enter...

I thought you would have said she should of complied or in your words
"if I do something that causes the police to show up and restrain me and I'm uncooperative or give them reason to think I have a weapon or I'm belligerent and resist arrest, yup...I expect bad things will happen to be."

which is it ?

Almost immediately, white supremacist and anti-government extremists began trying to use Ashli Babbitt's death as a clarion call for recruits. and now Trump what a surprise

yes there is no evidence that she ever had a gun or even a taser and they still shot her...

I have never argued that she shouldn't have been shot....I've repeatedly said she shouldn't have been there doing what she was doing...just like so many other examples that you like to characterize as police brutality and worse

you are remarkably inconsistent.....nice job dropping a white supremacist reference

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by scottw

yes there is no evidence that she ever had a gun or even a taser and they still shot her... who said she had a gun or a taser the capitol police never said they thought she had a gun as the reason they shot her.. guess you missed that part. but you think they were all unarmed anyway

I have never argued that she shouldn't have been shot....I've repeatedly said she shouldn't have been there doing what she was doing...just like so many other examples that you like to characterize as police brutality and worse

you are remarkably inconsistent.....nice job dropping a white supremacist reference

like Jim you need to expand your reading list


https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/n...7-4c568e132ef1

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/08/u...ent-trump.html


How Ashli Babbitt went from Capitol rioter to Trump-embraced ‘martyr’

In the months since Jan. 6, Trump and his allies have waged a fevered campaign to rewrite the narrative of one of the darkest days in the nation’s history, when a mob attacked the Capitol, threatening to kill Vice President Mike Pence and using baseball bats and flagpoles to beat police officers as they hunted for lawmakers, many of whom hid behind locked doors, fearing for their lives.

Inside the Capitol siege: How barricaded lawmakers and aides sounded urgent pleas for help as police lost control

41 minutes of fear: A video timeline from inside the Capitol siege
The Post obtained hours of video footage, some exclusively, and placed it within a digital 3-D model of the building. (TWP)
Yet, instead of marauders invading the Capitol, Trump and his acolytes describe a largely peaceful crowd of protesters unfairly maligned and persecuted by prosecutors, Democrats and mainstream journalists.

At the center of their revisionism is Babbitt, their martyr, whose fatal attempt to leap through a door that led to the House chamber — captured in graphic detail on video — they describe as a heroic act of patriotism.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Babbitt, their martyr,[/COLOR] whose fatal attempt to leap through a door that led to the House chamber — captured in graphic detail on video — they describe as a heroic act of patriotism.

I don't know who the "they" is that describe her as a hero. Again, you're hearing those voices. She is at best a trespasser who deserved to be arrested, obviously didn't deserve to be killed. She might be a martyr, but not any kind of hero.

She was a 5 foot tall woman, unarmed (we know that), who was shot and killed without warning (we know that) by a cop who had a history of being stupidly reckless with his firearm (we know that).

That cop wasn't disciplined. We don't know what kind of investigation was done, or what questions were asked.

If an unarmed, tiny female BLM rioter who wasn't posing any kind of threat to anyone was shot to death without warning, would you be more upset? Can you honestly say you'd react this way?

[scottw]

Originally Posted by wdmso

but please keep trying to suggest she wasn't actively trying to break into an area with our representatives to . with clear intent to do Harm . against orders from law enforcement to not enter...

you and GS have a remarkable ability to claim that others are trying to suggest things when there is no such suggestion.....


Originally Posted by scottw View Post

what are your thoughts on Ashli Babbit?