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[Jim in CT]

Why doesn't Bidens vaccine mandate apply to Congress (it doesn't, I recently learned)? Why do private sector workers have a mandate, but not members of Congress? Is that not a fair question to ask? The military is saying they're going to boot people who aren't vaccinated, but members of congress face no penalty?

I'm guessing the number of unvaccinated congressmen is very low, but again, what's the logic? Because I don't see it.

Same with welfare recipients, the vaccine mandate won't apply to them. If the goal is to vaccinate as many Americans as possible, why not have the mandate apply to welfare recipients?

A welfare recipient can refuse the vaccine and continue to collect his welfare. But a Navy SEAL who refuses the vaccine will be fired.

That's just dripping with common sense.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Why doesn't Bidens vaccine mandate apply to Congress (it doesn't, I recently learned)? Why do private sector workers have a mandate, but not members of Congress? Is that not a fair question to ask? The military is saying they're going to boot people who aren't vaccinated, but members of congress face no penalty?

I'm guessing the number of unvaccinated congressmen is very low, but again, what's the logic? Because I don't see it.

Same with welfare recipients, the vaccine mandate won't apply to them. If the goal is to vaccinate as many Americans as possible, why not have the mandate apply to welfare recipients?

A welfare recipient can refuse the vaccine and continue to collect his welfare. But a Navy SEAL who refuses the vaccine will be fired.

That's just dripping with common sense.

You apparently have no idea of what powers the President has, do you.

100% of the democrats in both houses are vaccinated.
Not sure if the Republicans will tell, it might be political suicide.

Here's the list of REQUIRED vaccines for Central Command, every one has different requirements.
And you get booted for not complying.

Anthrax
Schedule: 0,4w,6,12,18m + annual booster
Route: Intramuscular
Dose: 0.5ml
Required for 15 or more days in theater.
Chickenpox
Schedule: 0, 4-8w (2 dose) or + serologic testing
Route: Subcutaneous
Dose: 0.5ml
Required. Documentation must include one of the following: Born before 1980, history of disease, sufficient varicella titer, or administration of vaccine.
Hepatitis A
Schedule: 0, 6m (2 dose) or + serologic testing
Route: Intramuscular
Dose: 1-18 years, 0.5ml; >=19 years, 1 ml; Twinrix >=18 years, 1ml
Required.
Hepatitis B
Schedule: Engerix-B, Recombivax, Twinrix: 0,1,6m (3 dose)or Heplisav-B: 0,1m (2 dose) or + serologic testing
Route: Intramuscular
Dose: Engerix-B or Recombivax: 0-19 years, 0.5ml; >=20 years, 1 ml; Twinrix >=18 years, 1ml; Heplisav-B >=18 years, 0.5mL
Required.
Influenza - Seasonal
Schedule: 1 dose annually
Route: Intramuscular, Intranasal
Dose: IM 0.5ml; Intranasal 0.2ml
Required.
M-M-R
Schedule: 2 lifetime doses or + serologic testing
Route: Subcutaneous
Dose: 0.5ml
Required. Documentation must include one of the following: Born before 1957, effective immunity by titer, or administration of two lifetime doses.
Pneumococcal
Schedule: High risk: 1 dose, Asplenic Only: 1 dose + 1 time booster if 5 yrs or greater since 1st dose
Route: Subcutaneous or Intramuscular
Dose: 0.5ml
Required for high risk health conditions per ACIP.
Polio
Schedule: 1 dose as adult
Route: Subcutaneous or Intramuscular
Dose: 0.5ml
For individuals traveling for > 4 weeks, vaccination required to be administered within 12 months of DEPARTURE FROM Afghanistan and Pakistan.
Rabies
Schedule: Pre-Exposure: 0,7,(21 or 28d) Booster: 2-5 yr (when titer drops >1:5)
Route: Intramuscular
Dose: 1ml
Required for personnel at high risk for exposure IAW Service-Specific guidelines.
Tdap
Schedule: 1 lifetime dose of Tdap, Td boosters every 10 yrs. For adults who previously have not received a dose of Tdap, 1 dose should be given regardless of interval since last tetanus vaccine.
Route: Intramuscular (Tdap, Td, Tetanus Toxoid)
Dose: 0.5ml (Tdap, Td, Tetanus Toxoid)
Required.
Typhoid
Schedule: Injectable: every 2 yr; Oral: every 5 yr
Route: Intramuscular or Oral
Dose: IM 0.5ml; Oral, 4 capsules (day 1,3,5,7)
Required.

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Why doesn't Bidens vaccine mandate apply to Congress (it doesn't, I recently learned)? Why do private sector workers have a mandate, but not members of Congress? Is that not a fair question to ask? The military is saying they're going to boot people who aren't vaccinated, but members of congress face no penalty?

I'm guessing the number of unvaccinated congressmen is very low, but again, what's the logic? Because I don't see it.

Executive Orders only cover the Executive Branch Jim.

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Why doesn't Bidens vaccine mandate apply to Congress (it doesn't, I recently learned)? Why do private sector workers have a mandate, but not members of Congress? Is that not a fair question to ask? The military is saying they're going to boot people who aren't vaccinated, but members of congress face no penalty?

Jim 1 google search you would have that answered. more false info sent to your inbox or whatever site you saw it

The claim is false. Biden’s vaccine requirements were issued in the form of an executive order – directives that apply only to the executive branch. Congress is the legislative branch, and thus, is not subject to the order.

I'm guessing the number of unvaccinated congressmen is very low, but again, what's the logic? Because I don't see it.

Same with welfare recipients, the vaccine mandate won't apply to them. If the goal is to vaccinate as many Americans as possible, why not have the mandate apply to welfare recipients?

So what's being on welfare have to do with anything? other unless you think they are all black and have low vaccination rates ? the order clearly say businesses over 100 and federal contractors and employees

A welfare recipient can refuse the vaccine and continue to collect his welfare. But a Navy SEAL who refuses the vaccine will be fired.

So a Navy seal should be allowed to not get the shot? But those 13 marines who were killed in a suicide bombing should have been allowed to refuse their lawful order? . its called a direct order like charge that machine gun nest . any anyone who doesn't want the shot or follow lawful orders in the military can find a new Job
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That's just dripping with common sense.

Sorry Jim its not dripping with common sense its dripping BS

and whats up with the welfare angle ?

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Sorry Jim its not dripping with common sense its dripping BS

and whats up with the welfare angle ?

"Jim 1 google search you would have that answered."

If you can't handle my asking questions here, you can block me. OK? I did a search and didn't see anything.

"Congress is the legislative branch, and thus, is not subject to the order."

OK. So why isn't there a mandate for congress to be vaccinated, issued by anyone who has that authority? Or does no one have that authority?

"So what's being on welfare have to do with anything?"

WDMSO 1 google search you would have that answered (see what I did there?) WHy is it swell if you ask questions, but you get upset when I do it?

To answer your question, if getting the vaccine is such a vital civic responsibility that Biden is ordering employers to enforce it, why not ask the same of welfare recipients, who get paid by all of us? If i have to get the shot in order to keep my paycheck coming in, why don't they? They should be held to a higher standard, because I'm working to get my paycheck, my paycheck isn't funded my confiscating other people's money.

"So a Navy seal should be allowed to not get the shot? "

Again, 1 simple google search, and you'd have the answer (see what I did there - again?).

I don't have a problem with anyone not taking the shot who has had covid and therefore has natural antibodies which many say are far superior to the vaccine's antibodies. These are some of the healthiest people on the planet, I don't suppose there's a lot of co-morbities there.

"its called a direct order like charge that machine gun nest . any anyone who doesn't want the shot or follow lawful orders in the military can find a new Job"

If the order is lawful, that's a good point, like getting the immunization cocktail. Very good point. I meant to say (but didn't say), I'm talking about military members who have already had covid and are chock full of natural (superior) antibodies.

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT

I don't have a problem with anyone not taking the shot who has had covid and therefore has natural antibodies which many say are far superior to the vaccine's antibodies.

I don't believe the scientific community would agree with this. From what I've read natural immunity is around 80% with the vaccines closer to 95%. Hence why they recommend people who have had Covid still get vaccinated.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

I don't believe the scientific community would agree with this. From what I've read natural immunity is around 80% with the vaccines closer to 95%. Hence why they recommend people who have had Covid still get vaccinated.

i believe that then only reason why i made the statement, is because of all the scientists i’ve seen who said exactly that.

Is science.org part of the scientific community?

https://www.science.org/content/arti...-remains-vital

but like everything, there are experts on both sides. so who knows.
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT

i believe that then only reason why i made the statement, is because of all the scientists i’ve seen who said exactly that.

Is science.org part of the scientific community?

https://www.science.org/content/arti...-remains-vital

but like everything, there are experts on both sides. so who knows.
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device

Well, it's a magazine for one thing. Also if you read the whole article they have some serious challenges to the methods used in the study. Not saying it's all wrong but I don't think it is peer reviewed. Ask your BFF about what peer review means

[Got Stripers]

Hope you anti vaccine tools aren’t Bruins or Celtics fans, Boston Garden now will require proof of vaccination, hey you still have your freedom; but watch the game from home.