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[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

ok, if you rely on historical facts. please point to all
the historical occasions when israel killed palestinian terrorists without provocation.

one side absolutely has the moral ground. israel would stop fighting if hamas would. israel isn’t explicitly saying they want palestinians to cease to exist. what about that don’t you get?

once again, towing the party line, never any exceptions.
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Jim the world took their land may 1948 in and created the state of Israel. Out of thin air. 1967 they annexed East Jerusalem because the had the power to do so..

If these are not provocations I am not sure what fits your definition of a provocation..

I just find it odd with the History of persecution the Jews have and what happened in WW2 I understand they won’t let it happen again .. and I hope it never does .. But when you become what you opposed .. in the name of past transgressions, it’s very hypocritical to me ..
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

But when you become what you opposed .. in the name of past transgressions, it’s very hypocritical to me ..
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ok. so you’re comparing Israel to nazi germany. you stink at this.

and MANY historians say jews were there first, a LONG time ago.
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[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

ok. so you’re comparing Israel to nazi germany. you stink at this. No jim I am suggesting the Jew were oppressed but oppression has many forms .. you don't need gas chambers of slave labor.... to be The oppressor

and MANY historians say jews were there first, a LONG time ago. And indians were here before americans So they should get it Back you are to simplistic in your world view it lacks Nuance
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https://fivethirtyeight.com/features...-israel-party/

How Republicans fell in love with Israel

1988, Democrats and Republicans had basically similar attitudes toward Israel two fundamental forces combined to transform the GOP into the hardcore pro-Israel party we know today. First, the rise of the religious right, which sees hard-line support for Israel as a religious obligation. Second, the neoconservative movement successfully convinced most Republican leaders that being pro-Israel should be a core conservative value.


Democrats are much more open to criticizing Israel on issues like West Bank settlements, whereas Republican support for Israel is more unconditional.

one directly linked to the rise of evangelical Protestants in the GOP, whose beliefs about biblically granted rights to the Holy Land make them inclined to take a strongly pro-Israel stance.

So its all about religion for the GOP and its love affair with Israel...
religion makes poor policy

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features...-israel-party/

l...
religion makes poor policy

Religion is the reason behind the anti-slavery movement in the country (which democrats fought a war over to keep).

Religion is the reason behind the anti-segregation movement in the country (which democrats fought to sustain).

Religion is the reason why the pilgrims came here, and it's very very obviously at the root of all of our freedoms and founding philosophies.

Islam makes bad policy. Moderate judeo-Christian principles? Come on.

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Religion is the reason behind the anti-slavery movement in the country (which democrats fought a war over to keep).

Religion is the reason behind the anti-segregation movement in the country (which democrats fought to sustain).

Religion is the reason why the pilgrims came here, and it's very very obviously at the root of all of our freedoms and founding philosophies.

Islam makes bad policy. Moderate judeo-Christian principles? Come on.

Jim please speak in terms of recent history ..

The GOP love affair with Israel is new to the political landscape .. a quick google search . its all there

Hell Republicans and many others won’t vote for a catholic because they think they will have allegiance to the pope not the nation

the anti-slavery movement in the country (which democrats fought a war over to keep).

Your one of those guys aren’t you!

The problem is that the Republicans and the politics of 1860 bear almost zero resemblance to the Republicans of today.

But please keep convincing yourself that they are …. Like I said no nuance


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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Jim please speak in terms of recent history ..

The GOP love affair with Israel is new to the political landscape .. q google search it all there

Hell Republicans and many others won’t vote for a catholic because they think they will have allegiance to the pope not the nation
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Jim please speak in terms of recent history ignore all the good that religion has done, when trying to argue that religion has done any good.

Recently? The right-wing nuts ta the New York Times recently posted a study showing that conservatives (thanks to their religious beliefs), give more money to charity than liberals, despite making less money on average. Do you think that it's bad public policy to rely on beliefs that incentivize people to be more charitable?

https://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/21/o...21kristof.html

In Psychology today, an article showing that people who identify as religious, consider themselves to be happier, than athiests. DO you think it's bad public policy, to rely on beliefs that make people feel happier?

https://www.psychologytoday.com/ca/b...people-happier

Here, according to the CDC, religious people are less likely to get divorced. Do you think it's bad public policy to rely on beliefs that keep the nuclear family intact, which prevents all kinds of awful societal problems?

https://divorce.lovetoknow.com/Divor...cs_by_Religion

Here, according to the right wing nuts at the Huffington Post, religious people commit less crime. Do you think it's bad public policy to rely on beliefs that result in less crime?

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/no-ti...dy-f_b_4384046

"Hell Republicans and many others won’t vote for a catholic because they think they will have allegiance to the pope not the nation"

You're suggesting religious politicians have a hard time in the GOP? That's a new one.

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Jim please speak in terms of recent history ignore all the good that religion has done, when trying to argue that religion has done any good.

Recently? The right-wing nuts ta the New York Times recently posted a study showing that conservatives (thanks to their religious beliefs), give more money to charity than liberals, despite making less money on average. Do you think that it's bad public policy to rely on beliefs that incentivize people to be more charitable?

https://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/21/o...21kristof.html

In Psychology today, an article showing that people who identify as religious, consider themselves to be happier, than athiests. DO you think it's bad public policy, to rely on beliefs that make people feel happier?

https://www.psychologytoday.com/ca/b...people-happier

Here, according to the CDC, religious people are less likely to get divorced. Do you think it's bad public policy to rely on beliefs that keep the nuclear family intact, which prevents all kinds of awful societal problems?

https://divorce.lovetoknow.com/Divor...cs_by_Religion

Here, according to the right wing nuts at the Huffington Post, religious people commit less crime. Do you think it's bad public policy to rely on beliefs that result in less crime?

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/no-ti...dy-f_b_4384046

"Hell Republicans and many others won’t vote for a catholic because they think they will have allegiance to the pope not the nation"

You're suggesting religious politicians have a hard time in the GOP? That's a new one.

Let me dumb this down for you

Would you support sharia law?

I doubt you would it’s laws based on the Koran some not much different then the 10 commandments

But I don’t what our laws based on the teachings of the Koran or the kings James bibles for the same reasons I do not was a judge to pass sentence based on his religious beliefs or based on the beliefs on the person being sentenced …

Faith from all religion has great benefits for many from the down trodden to the sick to those looking for a higher power for direction ..

But as usual you confused I suggest religion has no place in politics as somehow an attack on people of faith in politics

Religion has no place in policy ! People of faith are welcomed in politics And these 2 positions are not remotely the same . Except to you?
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[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Religion is the reason behind the anti-slavery movement in the country (which democrats fought a war over to keep).

Religion is the reason behind the anti-segregation movement in the country (which democrats fought to sustain).

Religion is the reason why the pilgrims came here, and it's very very obviously at the root of all of our freedoms and founding philosophies.

This is perhaps the most historically ignorant post Jim has ever made.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

This is perhaps the most historically ignorant post Jim has ever made.

abolitionists like John Brown and we’rent motivated by judeo christian principles?

The Rev Martin Luther King Jr wasn’t motivated by judeo christian principles?

The ideas of equality and freedom, all the rights that are endowed by our creator, what do you suppose that means?

With your worldview, you may have convinced yourself that by creator, they were talking about Stalin or Mao. But they meant God.
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[scottw]

Kamala is doing a fabulous job securing the border...

[scottw]

Originally Posted by wdmso

But when you become what you opposed .. in the name of past transgressions, it’s very hypocritical to me ..

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are you calling Paul S and Got Strippers hypocrits?

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by scottw

are you calling Paul S and Got Strippers hypocrits?

no, no, when liberals do a 180, they are “evolving.”.
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